Monday, March 28, 2016

Brief Discussion On Disappointment With God

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This story was mentioned in a sermon, I attended, Sunday morning. This is a brief and very non-exhaustive discussion. I relate to Richard's frustration with God, but my conclusions are different.

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December 7, 2005: By Erik Olson

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'Years ago, Philip Yancey was contacted by a young theology student named Richard. One of his professors had encouraged Richard to expand an exemplary paper about Job into a book. Mr. Yancey was impressed with the draft, and even agreed to write the forward for publication. But by the time it reached the publishers, Richard had lost his faith. He no longer believed what he'd written. "Disappointment With God" was born out of several frank conversations between Mr. Yancey and Richard about the nature of suffering and what God should be doing about it.'

Despite Richard's prayers and service to God, his life had come unglued. His fiancée dumped him, a job fell through, his health declined, and so on. Richard felt betrayed, and finally broke from God.'

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With Richard, 'a job fell through'. I can relate to this situation as an academic that has also studied the problem of suffering and is not presently employed in academia or related.  I am progressing with professional employment advisement and have volunteered at a local megachurch.

'His fiancée dumped him.' On Sunday it was mentioned that Richard's fiancée (paraphrased) would not discuss the issue and 'burned the bridge'. This contributed to his eventual loss of faith and break from God. Perhaps, if his fiancée would have openly and thoroughly discussed her reasons, this would have been less painful for Richard? Perhaps he would have accepted it?

A 'burning bridges' approach creates the possibility of what I label 'rejection remorse', that is rejection done in haste where the rejecting person or group (A) has significant doubts and regrets in regard to rejecting (B). Working in corporate security, at a trillion dollar corporation, I have learned that terminated employees are not informed by corporate representatives, but by a hired third party (C) that escorts the terminated employee from the building.  I reason this is done to alleviate corporate fears of a potential confrontation, but also eliminates the possibility of employer/terminated employee discussion where the employer may be influenced by reason and evidence to reconsider the position taken. I was informed of one episode where an angry terminated employee returned to the building with his/her lawyer and were secretly rushed into a side room where employees could not witness the scene. Could this have been handled more optimally with employer/employee discussion earlier?

Similar fears lead to lack of discussion in many personal issues of the heart as well.

Is this not the case in many religion, worldview and political discussions?

I have often stated that a person is not significantly objective, unless willing to change a position if led to that conclusion by rational reason and evidence.

My former pastor stated (paraphrased): A person has few regrets in his/her twenties and thirties, a person has some regrets in his/her forties and fifties and a person has many regrets in his/her sixties.

Provided (A) and/or (B) is not highly irrational and/or confrontational is not a rational reasonable 'bridge-building' approach and conclusion to issues more optimal?

Richard's 'health declined, and so on.' During my studies I suffered with sleep apnea, my condition now greatly improved through surgery and treatment. I also had several eye surgeries to make me supposedly 'more beautiful', and more importantly improve my vision in my less than optimal eye.

'Richard felt betrayed, and finally broke from God.'  My position is God has sovereign, providential control of existence and reality as documented through prophets, apostles and scribes in Scriptural religious history. Romans 8:26-30 is an important passage with the idea (28) that God causes all things to work for good for those who love God, called according to his purpose and (29) those he foreknew and predestined to become conformed to the image of Christ.

Within my compatibilistic position, God remains perfectly good in his permissible and perfect wills. Calvin writes that God’s motives remain pure in the simultaneous willing of human actions that are sinful and evil. Calvin (1543)(1996: 37-40).

I conclude

It is a logical and reasonable presentation that God is true based on religious history in Scripture. Therefore, if this is accepted, God's infinite and perfect nature and promises to those in Christ, including everlasting life in a perfected realm, would not change regardless of suffering and the level of that suffering in this present fallen and imperfect realm.

The very significant problem of suffering does remain practically in this realm for all of humanity.

CALVIN, JOHN (1539)(1998) The Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book IV, Translated by Henry Beveridge, Grand Rapids, The Christian Classic Ethereal Library, Wheaton College. http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes.html

CALVIN, JOHN (1543)(1996) The Bondage and Liberation of the Will, Translated by G.I. Davies, Grand Rapids, Baker Book House. <

Thursday, March 24, 2016

Bleach v Coca-Cola & Bleach v Vinegar

Barcelona: Google+: It just has that chemical warfare kind of look...


Bleach v Coca-Cola

I agree, quote: 'Of course don't drink this'.

Considering the era, I should state:

Do not let anything or anyone consume this liquid. Do not even mention the term 'drink'.

In this case, Coke is not it.

Bleach v Vinegar

Within homecaring work for a relative, when cleaning, I have further empirically discovered that bleach with a strong and in my opinion, offensive odour, is a very effective cleaner and whitener in many contexts.

I also use vinegar as a cleaner. Vinegar like bleach can be used to clean clothes. But common sense has informed me (thankfully) not to mix vinegar and bleach.

I digest vinegar in the food context where many North Americans would use ketchup.

When visiting the United States, that has many fine restaurants, a complaint I have is that many establishments do not even carry vinegar. At least one restaurant employee seemed baffled at the intellectual concept of vinegar. As if 'vinegar' was a major academic discipline such as science, philosophy and religious studies and I had entered this academic twilight zone.

But I digress...

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Anne Marie Helmenstine, Ph.D., Our Chemistry Expert


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'Mixing bleach and vinegar is a bad idea. Toxic chlorine gas is released, which essentially serves as a way to wage chemical warfare on yourself. '

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'Don't poison yourself!'

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'It's far safer for you to buy fresh bleach than to risk releasing a chemical weapon on yourself by mixing bleach with another chemical. You can use bleach and vinegar for cleaning, just make sure you rinse before switching products.'

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'a way to wage chemical warfare on yourself.'

'to risk releasing a chemical weapon on yourself by mixing bleach with another chemical.'

Self-induced terrorism?

Friday, March 18, 2016

The University of Whales: PhZ

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Russell Norman Murray I award you sir a PhZ degree...happy weekend.
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Russell Norman Murray As it is BC...the degree is from University of Whales...
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Russell Norman Murray A PhZ from Whales...it is an extra honour as it is good for the environment...
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Russell Norman Murray This now reads like a good potential Satire And Theology short post...Titled "The University of Whales: PhZ.'.
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Tuesday, March 15, 2016

Back Off A Bit...Please

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Being Canadian, I add 'Please.'

I viewed an online video presentation from an American natural nutrition brand on an associated website, yesterday.

As I was watching and listening to the informative presentation, I briefly investigated product and company reviews from different sites, including from the United Kingdom.

I reviewed a few consumer reviews on You Tube.

I attempted to find at least some site reviews that were potentially non-manufacturer associated. In today's internet age it is quite difficult to know which reviews are from sites associated with the product manufacturer and which sites are actually presenting independent reviews.

I also briefly researched the product's major, highlighted ingredient independently. The scientific benefits that are at times documented with citations by the manufacturer are basically scientifically supported and documented by apparently independent sources.

Overall, there are far more positive reviews than negative reviews on the product and the manufacturer.

I ordered the product as a trial.

In the order process the company attempted to sell me two other related products.

I declined.

This manufacturer, like some United States companies I have dealt with online in the past, is far too aggressive with promotion sending me multiple daily emails. The majority of these attempting to sell more product.

This is philosophically off-putting to me.

These companies need to back off with the excessive promotion and let a new client, especially, be convinced of product of benefits.

Let the product sell itself.

Today, I unsubscribed from the emails and then was presented twice from the manufacturer's website, with aggressive apology pages and twice offered a 'free' product.

A significant problem is the shipping for the 'free' product is not free in the United States and costs even more in Canada,

The excessive use of large red words in bold is no more convincing to me in a business context than when they appear on non-academic Christian, fundamentalistic, websites aggressively promoting their theology.

One can take an educated guess from what country in the world most of these websites originate.

As if they are attempting to yell the 'truth' into readers.

This business tactic reminds me of some products advertised on American sites, such as on Amazon.com for sale and on eBay for bid and/or sale, at a very low price and then if the entire order is calculated the cost of shipping cancels out the 'phantom' savings.

Especially being shipped here in Canada.

Being this is an academic site, for balance I state:

On a positive note, philosophically, in an overall sense, the entrepreneurial spirit has contributed significantly to the United States having the largest and most successful economy in the world.

As well, as I have stated previously, the United States is the greatest nation on earth in regard to the availability of many products, including theological and religious studies materials.

I have personally benefited.

On the obvious side, I own the written post content on this site and my original site, but Google and Blogger own and provide the publishing service provided free of charge.

I have personally benefited.

Google having its headquarters in Mountain View, California.

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From Tucson, Arizona concert: November 28, 1978: In regard to backing off...