Wednesday, May 20, 2009

US Military Burn Bibles/Bodybuilders Flee

Fake

Okay, the return of Vinyl Man who has received thousands of hits on this site.

Leuther, Germany (photo from trekearth.com)

Bibles burned by United States military

Portions


From CNN:

'UPDATED: 03:32 AM EDT 05.20.09

Military personnel threw away, and ultimately burned, confiscated Bibles that were printed in the two most common Afghan languages amid concern they would be used to try to convert Afghans, a Defense Department spokesman said Tuesday.

The unsolicited Bibles sent by a church in the United States were confiscated about a year ago at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan because military rules forbid troops of any religion from proselytizing while deployed there, Lt. Col. Mark Wright said.

Such religious outreach can endanger American troops and civilians in the devoutly Muslim nation, Wright said.

"The decision was made that it was a 'force protection' measure to throw them away, because, if they did get out, it could be perceived by Afghans that the U.S. government or the U.S. military was trying to convert Muslims," Wright told CNN on Tuesday.

Troops at posts in war zones are required to burn their trash, Wright said...'

'This decision came to light recently, after the Al Jazeera English network aired video of a group prayer service and chapel sermon that a reporter said suggested U.S. troops were being encouraged to spread Christianity.

The military denied that earlier this month, saying much in the video was taken out of context.

"This was irresponsible and dangerous journalism sensationalizing year-old footage of a religious service for U.S. soldiers on a U.S. base and inferring that troops are evangelizing to Afghans," Col. Gregory Julian said.

The military says a soldier at Bagram received the Bibles and didn't realize he wasn't allowed to hand them out. In the Al Jazeera video, which shows the Bibles at the prayer service, an unnamed soldier says members of his church raised money for them.

The chaplain later corrected the soldier and confiscated the Bibles, Wright said.

Military officers considered sending the Bibles back to the church, he said, but they worried the church would turn around and send them to another organization in Afghanistan -- giving the impression that they had been distributed by the U.S. government.

That could lead to violence against troops or U.S. civilians, Wright said...'

'Military personnel threw away, and ultimately burned, confiscated Bibles that were printed in the two most common Afghan languages amid concern they would be used to try to convert Afghans, a Defense Department spokesman said Tuesday.

Hmm, this is a good indicator for my young American friends out there that combining the careers of overseas US military member and aspiring hyper-charismatic radio/televangelist would not be a very good idea.

It is a terrible thing to burn Bibles. I certainly would have found a better answer for the problem even if it meant having Bibles shipped or driven out of Afghanistan.

Imagine if someone did mix the careers of being a member of the US military with being a hyper-charismatic televangelist in training, the prayer towels, holy water, and prayer letters from the mail that would have had to be trashed.

Perhaps burning some books with heretical teaching might not be all bad. But, please understand I would rather collect books with heretical teaching for research than burn them. I have a few in my library (fill in the blank) that could be easily be burned on theological grounds but my fireplace is a gas fire and it would make too much of a mess in the living room and as stated I like collecting books for research purposes.

Also, if one fell over at the hands of a hyper-charismatic soldier, would it be because the person on the ground was healed, stabbed, or shot?

Could the future televangelist in training heal one that he or she just stabbed or shot?


'Troops at posts in war zones are required to burn their trash, Wright said.'

I would never consider Bibles trash.

'Military officers considered sending the Bibles back to the church, he said, but they worried the church would turn around and send them to another organization in Afghanistan -- giving the impression that they had been distributed by the U.S. government.

That could lead to violence against troops or U.S. civilians, Wright said.'
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Hmm, this sounds tricky. This may put quite a few restrictions on evangelism in that area.

Bodybuilders 'split' when they see drug testers

Portions

CBC

From CBC:

'Last Updated: Monday, May 18, 2009 4:00 PM ET

The Belgian bodybuilding championship has been cancelled after doping officials showed up and all the competitors fled.'

Oh no a 'roid' filled bodybuilding competition was cancelled...what a loss.

The Mr. Belgium Pageant was cancelled.


'The bodybuilders just grabbed their gear and ran off when a doping official came into the room, according to officials.

"I have never seen anything like it and hope never to see anything like it again," said doping official Hans Cooman.

Twenty bodybuilders were entered in the weekend competition...

Belgium's bodybuilding federation did not dispute the facts, but said it could not explain why the competitors had suddenly rushed off...

During testing of bodybuilding events last year, doping authorities of northern Belgium's Flanders region found that three-quarters of the competitors tested positive.'
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This would be the result if you mixed dog shows with bodybuilding shows.

Friday, May 01, 2009

Will secular Europe soon cease to exist?




My post viva/verbal review PhD revisions are coming along nicely. I tackle the most difficult and complex revisions first and success provides me with confidence. I worked on the graphs with the help of a friend and now am working on Kant. Please see my thekingpin68 blog.

I am not claiming any expertise in population growth or the subject of population growth in Europe.

I am open to suggestions and differing opinions. I have British citizenship and a United Kingdom and European Union passport and therefore have personal interest as well.

Although I have come across Islam in my academic world religions research and blogging, I am not an expert on the religion and Islamic culture. Although I reason the information provided demonstrates the danger of radical Islamists running Western countries, I cannot guarantee that in every case a Muslim majority would greatly curb the rights of non-Muslims that wish to be non-religious, Christian or other in worldview and practice.

Please note, my personal interaction with Muslims has been positive. I have no personal agenda. I have met moral and kind Muslims. Most Muslims contribute to society.

Also, I in no way support a Christian or theistic theocracy within this present realm. I would like to see the Christian Church have moral influence on Western society and secular governments that do not adopt one particular state religion.

Why?

Because I do not want a state-church to exist that would seek to treat all that do not follow the state religion as heretical and treasonous.

Guess who would likely be on the outside looking in.

I do however believe that Christ and God will one day establish a Kingdom (Revelation 21-22).

Portions quoted from:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1609

http://www.khouse.org/enews_article/2004/817/

'Islam is quickly becoming a significant part of the cultural and political landscape of Europe. There are between 9 and 15 million Muslims living throughout Europe today, and Islam has become the largest religious minority. Considering current population trends and the need for immigrant labor it is likely that the number of Muslims in Europe will continue to grow exponentially. Bernard Lewis, a former history professor at Princeton and the respected author of more than a dozen books on the Middle East, is quoted as saying that "Europe will be Islamic by the end of the century."

Europe's Muslim population is not evenly distributed. It is concentrated primarily in six countries. France has a Muslim population of approximately 5 million, the largest in all of Europe. Germany has about 2 million, followed by the United Kingdom with 1.5 million, the Netherlands with 500,000, Belgium with 300,000, and Austria with 200,000. The heavy concentration of Muslims in these countries is not surprising, because during the last three decades they have experienced massive labor migrations. Large Muslim populations also exist in Italy and Spain, as well as several Scandinavian countries such as Sweden, Denmark, and Norway...

The EU may not become the Islamic Republic of Europe any time soon, but the excessive influx of Muslim immigrants and refugees into the EU is a serious issue. Opening the doors of Europe to Turkey and the Muslim world also means opening the door to radical Islamic fundamentalists. Many of whom have already fled to Europe (our readers may recall that the terrorist cell authorities suspect planned the September 11 attacks was based in Hamburg, Germany). To ignore such warnings or to label such commentators as alarmists requires disregarding much of what history has taught us about the relationship between Islam and the western world.'

http://www.blufftontoday.com/node/10269

The German author Henryk M. Broder recently told the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant (12 October) that young Europeans who love freedom, better emigrate. Europe as we know it will no longer exist 20 years from now. Whilst sitting on a terrace in Berlin, Broder pointed to the other customers and the passers-by and said melancholically: “We are watching the world of yesterday.”Europe is turning Muslim...

As Tom Bethell wrote in this month’s American Spectator: “Just at the most basic level of demography the secular-humanist option is not working.” But there is more to it than the fact that non-religious people tend not to have as many children as religious people, because many of them prefer to “enjoy” freedom rather than renounce it for the sake of children. Secularists, it seems to me, are also less keen on fighting. Since they do not believe in an afterlife, this life is the only thing they have to lose. Hence they will rather accept submission than fight...'

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1705909/posts

'From the desk of Paul Belien on Wed, 2006-09-20 23:11 Dr Koenraad Elst, one of Belgium’s best orientalists and an occasional contributor to this website (if I had time I would translate more of his Dutch-language contributions into English), told me last week that he thinks “Islam is in decline, despite its impressive demographic and military surge” – which according to Dr Elst is merely a “last upheaval.”

He acknowledges, however, that this decline can take some time (at least in terms of the individual human life span) and that it is possible that Islam will succeed in becoming the majority religion in Europe before collapsing...

Perhaps, as Dr Elst fears, Islam in its stage of decline might, by the mid-21st century, succeed in conquering Europe and becoming the old continent’s dominant religion. In this knowledge one slogan of last Sunday’s Islamic hatemongerers in London may be more than just hate speech: “Islam will conquer Rome” may be prophetic. Here, however, we ourselves are to blame, because Islamists will not find it difficult to conquer Europe. Christianity in Western Europe has virtually ceased to exist. The spirit of secular relativism that originated from the French Enlightenment has persuaded Europe (including Europe’s churches) to commit a protracted, two centuries long suicide, the symptoms of which were visible in Communism, National-Socialism and moral relativism in general.

Man is a religious being and needs religious faith. If European Christianity had still been healthy today it would have proselytized, it would have reached out with missionary zeal to the millions of Muslims who migrated to Western Europe since the 1970s, it would have offered them Christ. Instead, it’s churches became bastions of religious relativism. Europe offered the newcomers only cultural decadence, from which decent people want to shield their children, and spiritual emptiness, which one can only despise.

The Europeans, who lost the missionary zeal to reach out to the immigrants, also lacked the zeal to pass on their own civilization to their offspring. Worse still, they lacked the zeal to have offspring. Since demographics is the mother of all politics, it is, barring a miracle, certain that Islam will become the old continent’s dominant religion.

Unless Europe rediscovers its will to survive – and it may already be too late (though as a Christian I do not exclude miracles) – soon furious Islamists may be holding sway over Europe in much the same way as the Taliban did over Afghanistan, removing all visible remnants of pre-Islamic culture. The Cathedrals of Europe may share the fate of the Buddhas of Bamiyan. Christian works of art may be destroyed. Surely, a faith that forbids the depiction of human figures will be offended by the Christian art of medieval Europe and the nudes of the Renaissance. Perhaps it is wise to seriously consider salvaging as many European cultural treasures as one already can, before it is too late, and bringing them to safety elsewhere.'

End of quotations.

My Aunt was nice enough to send me the You Tube clip and this was my reply (edited slightly.

That is very interesting. I have heard similar on Albert Mohler's website. It is scary but I reason Western society is heading for God;s judgment.

Problems

There are so few Christians and it is hard for many, such as myself to find a suitable partner. Therefore no families, sadly for many of us.

There are many that predict the evangelical church will collapse over the next few decades. A major possible reason is a lack of solid Biblical and theological training to separate it from secular thinking.

I consider myself only secondarily evangelical. I reason Reformed churches that have not sold out are more Biblical and theologically sound.

Evangelical churches often want to dummy things down and talk about how people can be happy, but this should not be done at the expense of teaching persons basic Biblical theology and how it differs from secular thought, and Islam, for example.

The radical liberal church basically is very similar to the world. Too many are not interested in letting the Bible in context (not always necessarily plain literal from an English reading, but it is sometimes) speak for itself. Too many want to make the Bible and God modern. He is not, he is the Alpha and Omega, eternal. He does not change.

Secular society supports too many abortions and abortion on demand. There is a break down of the concept of marriage and family as very important for many in society.

I think Islam is a false religion as it denies the deity of Christ, the Trinity and the atoning and resurrection of Christ. This is stated without anything personal against Muslims.

I hope and pray that through my blogs and future teaching I can help the gospel cause.


Lorrez Le Bocage Preau Saint Anne, France (photo from trekearth.com)


Notre Dame Cathedral, Paris, France (photo from trekearth.com)


EdH Frviere, Lyon, France (photo from trekearth.com)

A man with his cat and kittens. I am not certain on whether or not some of them are adoptable. They are rather larger than the cat I used to have but perhaps that is due to steroids.

Thanks for reading, I state more on the lead topic in comments.



Chance of Canada getting another team outside of beating Bettman and the NHL owners in court.

Me at practice...I wish.

nwr mar y sol fest wav edit 3.mp3

Monday, April 06, 2009

Recent comments on other blogs (April 2009)



Chatsworth House, England (Near my friends Mr. and Mrs. X)

The following are what I view as some of my better recent comments from other blogs. I am not indicating that these are my favourite blogs (or not), at the expense of others.

I keep those opinions to myself.

Obama and AIG

Dumb Ox

No shock.

I have speculated and will stick to it that if Obama plays his cards right and continues with his pragmatic (not to be confused with truth seeking) political approach and has what appears to be success, at least, he could end up a billionaire once out of the White House. Obamamania just has to sort of continue and he could do it.

Top Western politicians that officially make non-celebrity like government wages, sometimes for decades and yet live like 'celebs', must in my mind receive much help from the upper class that they have at times helped in their positions as gov. officials.

Mr. Ox, I have posted my PhD graphs on the problem of evil, which may interest.

Russ

Jeff and I discuss the Watchmen

Jeff Jenkins

My last comments on your previous post were not published. Oh well, it happens, thanks Blogger.

So, I present more on the Watchmen...

I think Dr. Manhattan should put some pants on!

He is:

A smurf (your suggestion) crossed with Mr. Clean and the Jolly Green Giant turned blue and with the misused power of someone like Galactus.

Dr. Blue Baldy

Sure let's kill millions and it will provide temporary world peace, but oh yea I cannot change human nature.

So, I guess 'Baldy' hostilities will begin again in a few years and you helped cover up the death of millions with faulty reasoning. Wars will continue with corrupt humanity despite your cover up of mass murder.

The fall

Mormonism Reviewed

Adam and Eve were made good (Gen. 1: 31). In my PhD writing I reason they were morally perfect and did good but inexperienced in regard to evil, and pleased God. Future resurrected Christians and Old Testament saints that are all regenerated/born again (John 3) trusting in the Biblical God, the only God, (Isaiah 43, 44, 45), the Alpha and Omega (Rev. 22: 13) will have experienced sin, death, the problem of evil, the atoning and resurrection work of Christ and will have spiritual/intellectual maturity that Adam and Eve did not, and will be guided by God through the Holy Spirit, in particular to not fall again. God with pure motives willed the fall, he made Adam and Eve in a way that he knew within the circumstances they would fall, but he did not force or coerce it and therefore as they were significantly free, Adam and Eve were morally accountable for it. We are morally accountable for our sins, even as we come from a corrupted nature and can only be saved as we are predestined to be saved by the work of Christ (Eph. 1 and Rom. 8). Persons are saved by grace through faith in the gospel work (Eph. 2). This should lead to works but our salvation is not in any way caused by human works (Eph. 2, Rom. 4, Gal. 2). The corrupt nature of humanity (Rom. 1-3) demonstrates that God must determine who shall be saved, as persons cannot contribute to salvation through autonomous choice, will or any type of works.

The subject of death

GGM

The last five years the number of persons I know that have died, and not all of them old, has greatly increased.

Thank God for God's everlasting Kingdom. (John 3: 16, Revelation 21-22).

Aspirin and vegetables

Aspirin and vegetables

I noted:

'It makes sense to primarily digest foods that will build up the body and avoid foods that will not build up and foods that will primarily do harm.'

Not a very profound statement, but it is amazing how many persons in Western culture will not follow it.

A Debate: Must a Christian have repented of all known sins upon death to go to heaven?-The debate begins here with me in reply and concludes in comments with the other person, Greg, included.

Back to Jeff's blog: Repentance (for which I need to do regularly, just to be clear!)

Jeff Jenkins!!!

I do not think we always repent of every sin we know about. We are not saved by repentance but through the regenerating work of Christ in his atoning and resurrection work which leads to repentance. I will be kindly blunt:), this is often a classic evangelical error. We are told to repent in Scripture as we need this to be right with God and God uses this as conviction of the Holy Spirit in the initial regeneration process I reason, and in continual santification.1 Corinthians 3: 15 and perhaps Hebrews 6 discuss saved persons that have their temporal works burned up, and do not come to repentance is all areas, certainly in Hebrews. There is a debate on whether these are true believers or not in Hebrews. 2 Peter 3, although a disputed passage (...for any to perish but for all to come to repentance) has Peter appearing to write to those in the church and so it is reasonable to assume that some saved do enter paradise while not in a completely repentant state and yet are still covered under the atoning work.

I do not doubt they believe and have repented in general terms at some point in their life but may perish (Apollumi: bodily destruction) in a state of unrepentant sin. In light of total depravity not yet completely eliminated, logic allows us to reason that many Christians die knowingly sinning.If a Christian regenerated pastor has a unrepentant affair with his secretary and is killed in a car accident on his way home, is he damned? Hardly. To say so is to make the serious error of putting too much emphasis on human free will in salvation. This is what is so good about a Reformed/Biblical understanding of salvation as we ARE NOT saved by own free will, and that includes our ability to repent of every sin known. We are regenerated by God and simultaneously believe and in general terms, even as sinners, repent.

Further...

There is no slippery slope in my Reformed theology. Sin is countered by a dependence on God and a call to God in repentance for holiness.

You (not Mr. Jenkins) make an assertion and did not deal with my points that countered yours.

But okay, there is no further debate.

You have admitted to me in previous posts on thekingpin68 that some of it is basically beyond your education and fair enough. Certainly some of your education, formal and otherwise, is beyond mine.

But, therefore you should be willing to be more flexible in your theological and related views and become more educated and develop stronger opinions as you learn more when you can (in this busy world).

If one pays close attention to what I have written here and on my blogs, NOT ONE THING I have written ever excuses sin or would lead to that taking place.

All sin must be covered under the work of Christ. That is solid Reformed doctrine.

Look at my article against and titled Annihilation on satire and theology in archives.

In spirit form after death I reason we will not sin in Paradise. We will not sin when resurrected. We will have repented of our sins at both points.

We are presently told not to sin and to seek the Lord in his Spirit and repent. This is a Reformed view.

The Reformed bar is higher than that of free will evangelical and associated (as presented by you and some others, but not all evangelicals), in my opinion. Even if persons could repent of all of the sins they knew about, they would still be condemned by the sins they did not know about, as the nature is still corrupted and resulting actions remain at least somewhat tainted in this life.

In strict terms, persons are not going to be saved because they repented or damned because they did not repent of all known sins. They are damned by not being covered by Christ's atoning work which leads to repentance, although we see in Scripture (Rom. 7, 1 John 1-2) that Christians do sin even as regenerated and therefore need to repent continually. Human repentance is never the vehicle that saves someone, as the human will cannot add to or cause salvation. I pointed out verses already which seem to indicate that some believers are not fully repentant and therefore lack works. 2 Cor. 5: 10 indicates a judgment for right and wrong done in Christ. This is hardly a sign of resurrected believers that necessarily fully repented of all known sins in this temporal life.

God standards are so high, and human beings so corrupt, God elects his chosen (Eph 1. and Rom. 8) and as Eph. 2 point out persons are saved by grace through faith for good works. Eph. 2: 8-10 NASB.

8For (U)by grace you have been saved (V)through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is (W)the gift of God;

9(X)not as a result of works, so that (Y)no one may boast.

10For we are His workmanship, (Z)created in (AA)Christ Jesus for (AB)good works, which God (AC)prepared beforehand so that we would (AD)walk in them

The call to repentance is a vehicle to lead some in regeneration and to lead believers in sanctification in salvation.

Libertarian freewill views have been soundly discredited in this posting of Jeff in comments, and on my blogs Biblically, theologically, and philosophically as much as you are a solid Christian and you and I agree on many points as brothers in Christ.

Thanks my friend, but I need to take a stand here.

Rather than attempt to debate me (I agree you are wise to avoid this...and yes I am still learning myself!), I reason you need to read some Reformed theology with an open mind.

Here is a list of books. I am going through Bavinck and Frame for my revisions and they are quite helpful. And by the way, in my undergraduate degree at a Mennonite college I was primarily taught Arminian, free will theology for over four years.

I have also studied major free will thinkers (Augustine, Lewis, Plantinga, Pinnock) for my MPhil and PhD theses.

CALVIN, JOHN (1543)(1996) The Bondage and Liberation of the Will, Translated by G.I. Davies, Grand Rapids, Baker Book House.

BAVINCK, HERMAN (1918)(2006) Reformed Dogmatics Volume 2: God and Creation, John Bolt (gen.ed.), Translated by John Vriend, Baker Academic, Grand Rapids.

BAVINCK, HERMAN (1918)(2006) Reformed Dogmatics Volume 3: Sin and Salvation in Christ, John Bolt (gen.ed.), Translated by John Vriend, Baker Academic, Grand Rapids.

ERICKSON, MILLARD (1994) Christian Theology, Grand Rapids, Baker Book House.

FRAME, JOHN M. (2002) The Doctrine of God, P and R Publishing, Phillipsburg, New Jersey.

Skating on a Manitoba highway. I for one am glad Spring is here.

FYI

How the Union Flag came to be.



I was curious what the American flag would look like with the red and white reversed. I prefer the actual flag.



Wednesday, April 01, 2009

Blogger, Facebook and Twitter (Is Blogger losing out?)


Yorkshire, Dales, England (photo from trekearth.com)

I am not a member of Twitter and do not know much about it. I am not in any way trying to reflect on it negatively with this article. I have no intention of joining because I am already busy enough online.

Twitter

From the website it states:

Twitter is a service for friends, family, and co–workers to communicate and stay connected through the exchange of quick, frequent answers to one simple question: What are you doing?

I am a member of Facebook.

Facebook

Facebook helps you connect and share with the people in your life.

After already having two Blogger theology blogs, I joined Facebook to stay in touch with friends that mainly live outside of the Lower Mainland area and to meet new people online.

I also viewed it as an opportunity to promote my blogs, and there is a helpful blog application to promote them on Facebook.

I very much appreciate Facebook...but not as much as I appreciate my blogs.

I post links to my Blogger posts on Facebook but have never intended to place entire Blogger posts on Facebook. This would serve in a sense as another blog that I absolutely do not want as I am busy enough with PhD work and my Blogger blogs.

Even still, please do not misunderstand, I do appreciate very much comments related to Blogger posts left on Facebook.

It would be nice if these comments were duplicated on the blogs, but I realize people are often busy and I do not want to be viewed as a pushy so and so.;)

But, it is enough work writing two Blogger blogs and I do not want to basically write a third blog with pasted posts from satire and theology and thekingpin68 on Facebook.

I also do not want to write an original Facebook theology blog.

But it seems at times over the last few months that Blogger commenting has become less while many of my blog links spend time on Facebook. Some of my Facebook friends seem to perhaps post more theological and Biblical material on Facebook than on a Blogger, WordPress or other blogs.

I realize from experience that social networking is generally easier and often more fun than Blogging.:)

I have started some theological discussions on Facebook which did not translate to more Blogger blog article comments, but predictably more Facebook comments, which once again, I do appreciate very much.

But, if I keep that up I am basically going to be using Facebook as a third theological blog.

I could simply write blog articles in sent Facebook emails and also post a copy in my Facebook profile and then receive related emails from Facebook friends and also comments under the postings in my Facebook profile.

I wonder if it is going to become a trend in the near future for more theological blogging, and more blogging in general, to be done on Facebook then on actual blogs.

I have no ethical/moral problem with blogging on Facebook, but prefer to have professional blogs dedicated to theological, Biblical and philosophical articles with added filler for entertainment and educational purposes as opposed to a blog connected to emails and social networking.

But, that is my take. What is your opinion?

Is Facebook, Twitter, or another social networking service perhaps going to have more on site bloggers in the future than Blogger, WordPress, or other blogs?

Or are dedicated blogs going to remain the primary forum for blogging?

In overall terms, will social networking sites take large amounts of time from bloggers and their blogs?

I think the answer is likely 'no' for the first question and 'yes' with the latter two questions. I am making no ethical/moral judgment here and I am not suggesting people should spend more time on blog sites and less on social network sites.

My Blogger audience is made up of primarily online searches, blog links and friends. These online searches do sometimes include persons from Facebook.

My Facebook audience is primarily Facebook friends.

I reason there is more potential for readership and comments at this point with Blogger. This combined with the nature of dedicated blogs has me wanting to focus primarily on my existing blogs over Facebook in regard to blogging.

The End


Tom Vu says, 'You a looza'.





Mom sent me this picture with description.

'Redneck word of the day : "OBAMA"

I BOUGHT ME A CASE OF BEER AND DRANK IT OBAMA SELF!'

A story on the web that I DID NOT write:

'A BOTTLE OF WINE

A woman and a man are involved in a car accident on a snowy, cold Monday morning; it's a bad one. Both of their cars are totally demolished, but amazingly neither of them are hurt. God works in mysterious ways.

After they crawl out of their cars, the man is yelling about women drivers.

The woman says, 'So, you're a man. That's interesting. I'm a woman. Wow, just look at our cars! There's nothing left, but we're unhurt. This must be a sign from God that we should be friends and live in peace for the rest of our days'.

Flattered, the man replies, 'Oh yes, I agree completely, this must be a sign from God! But you're still at fault...women shouldn't be allowed to drive.'

The woman continues, 'And look at this, here's another miracle. My car is completely demolished but this bottle of wine didn't break. Surely God wants us to drink this wine and celebrate our good fortune.' She hands the bottle to the man. The man nods his head in agreement, opens it and drinks half the bottle and then hands it back to the woman. The woman takes the bottle, puts the cap back on and hands it back to the man.

The man asks, 'Aren't you having any?'

The woman replies, 'No. I think I'll just wait for the police....'

MORAL OF THE STORY: Women are clever and evil'