Sunday, July 22, 2012

Religulaugh? (Short Non-Exhaustive Review)


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Religulous

Wikipedia link above.

Religulous is a 2008 US American comedy documentary film featuring Bill Maher and directed by Larry Charles. The title of the film is derived from the words religion and ridiculous. The film examines Christianity, Scientology, Mormonism and other.

I have viewed Maher on television over the years and realize he is a critic of religion and have heard his arguments as a critic, but my friend known online as 'Zombie', also known for falling asleep during visits, requested that our mutual friend online known as Uncle Chuck, known for putting people to sleep, and I, review the film with him. Zombie had viewed it previously.

I have asked for these gentlemen to write short reviews.

See Zombie's review in comments.

See Uncle Chuck's review in comments.

Thank you kindly.

Positive

Maher like many critics of religion and Christianity, including for example the ones I dealt with in my MPhil and PhD theodicy/problem of evil research does open up dialogue on certain issues and questions concerning origins, beliefs, the problem of evil and life in general. It is good to ponder on the deeper issues in life.

In doing this he demonstrated that some Christians and religious persons do not study enough to adequately defend their faith and philosophy.

There is a danger of fideism, and in this I mean an over-reliance on faith at the expense of reason.

From:

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

Fideism

'The term itself derives from fides, the Latin word for faith, and can be rendered literally as faith-ism.'

'Fideism' is the name given to that school of thought—to which Tertullian himself is frequently said to have subscribed—which answers that faith is in some sense independent of—if not outright adversarial toward—reason. In contrast to the more rationalistic tradition of natural theology, with its arguments for the existence of God, fideism holds that reason is unnecessary and inappropriate for the exercise and justification of religious belief.'

According to R.K. Johnston, fideism is a term used by Protestant modernists in Paris in the late 19th century. It is often used as a pejorative term to attack various strands of Christianity as forms of irrationalism. Johnston (1999: 415). Fideists, following Kant, who noted that reason cannot prove religious truth are said to base their religious understanding upon religious experience alone. Reason is believed to be incapable of establishing faith's certainty or credibility. Johnston (1999: 415). Grenz, Guretzki and Nordling note that fideism states religious and theological truth must be accepted without the use of reason. Grenz, Guretzki and Nordling (1999: 51). An extreme form of fideism states that reason misleads one in religious understanding. Grenz, Guretzki and Nordling (1999: 51).

Negative

At 11:40 roughly with my version of the film Maher basically states paraphrased that there were not eyewitnesses of Christ that wrote the Gospels.

David J. Ellis concerning authorship of the Gospel of John states that in general it is believed in scholarship that the writer was Jewish in Ephesus toward the end of the First Century. There is a theory that three minds, three writers, may have contributed to the writing of the text but there is little agreement on who these could be. There may be a redactor. Ellis notes that Bernard believed John was responsible for the placing of a few minor notes. Ellis (1986: 1230).

Johannine scholar Leon Morris states that there is good reason to believe that the Apostle John was the author of the Gospel of John even though it was anonymous. Morris points out that it was John that was the beloved disciple (John 13: 23) and it was John that was commended to Mary (John 19: 26-27). Morris (1996: 585). These seem reasonable points as this writer seemingly could have been the Apostle John.

I am not stating that the Apostle John by Biblical, theological necessity has to be the author of the Gospel of John, not at all. There were other Apostles that had scribes that could have theoretically written such a work, but John historically has been a very strong candidate and even with what Ellis stated John appeared to be a possibility as one of the three minds that could have written the work, and they were theoretical which means it still could have been one mind.

I would therefore deduce that there were Gospel writers that were witnesses of Christ. John being a very good candidate.

As well concerning Matthew, H.L. Ellison explains that although the Gospel is anonymous there is a strong tradition that 'Matthew' compiled the oracles'. Ellison (1986: 1121).

Matthew like John would be an Apostle and eyewitness.

At the 13:00 mark roughly Maher notes that not all the Gospels contain the virgin birth. As the three of us were watching I confirmed to our group that indeed Mathew and Luke alone had any reference.

This is not a difficulty as the virgin birth only needs to be mentioned once. The Gospel writers are telling one story from four different perspectives and so will highlight different subjects. Also to not present different material would seem like the four books were simply virtual copies of each other.

At the end of the film Maher basically calls for rational non-religious people to unite and to have more of a say in society.

Maher basically did not present good scholarly research for the film, which should have been done even though it was a comedy film. I would be embarrassed to do such a poor job of research professionally in any capacity. We all make mistakes, but that approach is one of lack of in-depth scholarly research.

His approach is one I often come across which assumes that religious people are basically stupid, idiotic, morons and therefore to publicly review religion it does not take much serious research.

These type of people seem rather intellectually oblivious to the fact that places like Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, Cambridge, London, and of course Wales have Religion departments which are often closely associated with Philosophy departments which offer very serious and difficult to obtain Doctorates in the very subjects which Maher likes to joke about, and dismiss.

Yes, I realize there are good Christian institutions but I need to make a point here with secular ones.

These types of persons are oblivious to the amount of difficult thinking and many years of research these issues actually take and so they prefer to deal with mainly lightweight intellectual persons in context to try and make themselves and those with little religious education that watch and support them think they have done well and are winning the intellectual war when in reality they offer no real answers to many of life's most serious and everlasting issues. This is what mainly occurred in the film. In Maher's case he instead offers a world view of 'Doubt'.

The film is humorous is places but laughable as a reasonable academic critique of religion.

ELLIS, DAVID, J. (1986) 'John' in The International Bible Commentary, Grand Rapids, Zondervan.

ELLISON, H.L. (1986) ‘Matthew’, in F.F. Bruce (ed.), The International Bible Commentary, Grand Rapids, Zondervan.

GRENZ, STANLEY J., DAVID GURETZKI and CHERITH FEE
NORDLING (1999) Pocket Dictionary of Theological Terms, Downers Grove, Ill., InterVarsity Press.

JOHNSTON, R.K.(1996) ‘Fideism’, in Walter A. Elwell (ed.), Evangelical Dictionary of Theology, Grand Rapids, Baker Books.

MORRIS, LEON (1996) 'John', in Walter A. Elwell (ed.), Evangelical Dictionary of Theology, Grand Rapids, Baker Books.

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45 comments:

  1. Bill Maher is a comedian who not only fails at being funny, but who is an intolerant hater of Christianity and Republicans who seems to rely on obscenity rather than logical facts. He tries (very hard) to smear the Christian faith. He says that Christians are “part of a dress-up cult that hates sex and worships magic.” According to Maher, Jesus was a “Palestinian” who “walked on water and did magic tricks.”

    He has spouted crude, despicable, shameless, derogatory remarks publicly about Sarah Palin and her family, as well as others. He dared to insinuate that Sarah Palin’s youngest child, Trig, was born with Down Syndrome because of an extramarital affair. And, when it became evident that Palin had never even had such an affair, there was no apology from Maher. Instead, Maher redirected his attack, inventing the idea that Trig wasn’t even Palin’s child to begin with, but the illegitimate son of her daughter Bristol, and Palin was simply pretending to be his mother in order to shield her daughter from scrutiny. Indeed, Maher has no shame. Maher has also attacked, for example, former Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum, Christians, and anyone that homeschools their children.

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  2. I am glad I pointed out some serious intellectual deficiencies with his approach. I have heard about other issues as well. He is problematic is many respects.

    Thanks Jeff. I will post a teaser of that on Facebook.

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  3. Zombie here. I don't have the intellectual background that
    Dr. Russell Murray has, nor have I studied the Bible as much as Uncle Chuck has either. I have questions about defending my faith in Christianity and wondered what they thought about Religulous.
    I must admit- parts of it are
    quite funny- the short scenes
    from other movies edited provide
    a chuckle from time to time but
    I feel Maher goes after easy targets that can't or don't defend their faith effectively. He uses
    interviews or segments of them
    arranged to back up his arguement and push his anti-religion agenda.
    I don't have far enough of the answers to his questions but I
    get the feeling any proper explanation of our beliefs would
    be discounted or scoffed at anyway.
    His mind is made up- he's right in
    suggesting all religious people are
    wacko, and the rest of us are wrong. Every single religious person on the planet is wasting their time- according to Bill Maher.

    Zomba

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  4. 'I must admit- parts of it are
    quite funny- the short scenes'

    Yes.

    'I feel Maher goes after easy targets that can't or don't defend their faith effectively.'

    Yes.

    'He uses interviews or segments of them arranged to back up his arguement and push his anti-religion agenda.'

    Yes.

    'His mind is made up- he's right in suggesting all religious people are wacko, and the rest of us are wrong. Every single religious person on the planet is wasting their time- according to Bill Maher.'

    That seems certain.

    Thank you, Saint Zomba

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  5. Regarding the movie and how 'superstitious' Christians are, here is some very interesting data (some may find it quite surprising!) regarding polls and also regarding Bill Maher himself:

    Look Who's Irrational Now

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  6. Here is a good review of the movie which also refutes some of the claims in the movie:

    Maher's RELIGULOUS Is Ridiculous (And Easy to Refute)

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  7. DOWNLOADABLE AUDIO: Craig Hazen reviews the Bill Maher movie "Religulous" on Issues, Etc. You can download the episode audio HERE.

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  9. 'But it turns out that the late-night comic is no icon of rationality himself. In fact, he is a fervent advocate of pseudoscience. The night before his performance on Conan O'Brien, Mr. Maher told David Letterman -- a quintuple bypass survivor -- to stop taking the pills that his doctor had prescribed for him. He proudly stated that he didn't accept Western medicine. On his HBO show in 2005, Mr. Maher said: "I don't believe in vaccination. . . . Another theory that I think is flawed, that we go by the Louis Pasteur [germ] theory." He has told CNN's Larry King that he won't take aspirin because he believes it is lethal and that he doesn't even believe the Salk vaccine eradicated polio.'

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  10. 'As Chapter 28 of Ezekiel and Revelation 12:9 and 20:2 make
    clear, the talking “serpent” in Chapter 3 of Genesis is actually
    Satan, or the Devil, a fallen angel who tempts all people to rebel against God, including Adam and Eve. Thus, either this fallen angel miraculously took on the form of some kind of serpent. Or, some words in Genesis must be interpreted completely symbolically or figuratively
    (but still literally), as a symbolic or metaphorical comparison of Satan to the deceit and wickedness of a serpent with a forked tongue.

    Contrary to what Maher says in Religulous, the Bible does indeed teach the doctrine of original sin, in Genesis 8:21, Psalm 5:9, 14:1-3 and 53:1-3, Isaiah 59:4-8, Romans 3:9-18 and 3:21-24, 1 John 1:8-10, and many other places. These and other passages show how Maher’s explanations and interpretations of what the Bible teaches cannot be
    trusted at all.'

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  11. ‘Here's a brief, general rebuttal of the film:

    Question: "Is faith in God religulous?"


    Second, all of the beliefs that Maher claims Christianity borrowed from other religions are, in fact, evidence of the opposite. There are no historical or religious documents which pre-date Christianity that contain beliefs that are identical, or even closely similar, to the beliefs of Christianity.’

    I read similar in PhD research.

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  12. 'DOWNLOADABLE AUDIO: Craig Hazen reviews the Bill Maher movie "Religulous" on Issues, Etc. You can download the episode audio HERE.'

    One comment is that Maher stops at the goofiest places to interview people.

    Thank you, Jeff.

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  14. I have never seen this movie, I have heard of it but really had no interest in seeing it. I also know of Bill, but have never heard him speak. So I guess I cannot comment since I never saw the movie or heard this guy speak.

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  15. Thank you, Rick.

    He is basically an empiricist, but in the non-academic sense (not an empiricist philosopher like David Hume). He basically is one of these people that reasons the supernatural should only be believed when personally experienced with the senses. He is like many modern critics of Christianity and religion.

    By the way, when I was a child I did witness an exorcism and someone having demons exited out in the name of Jesus and also a prophetic word perhaps, I am not certain, concerning me. When asked, I for some reason stated I would teach. I did not know why. I reason the demons were not a matter of hypnotism as the person was not told they were a demon but the demons were called out in Jesus’ name as took place in the New Testament. There was some bad theology that night as well from the leaders including the notion that one had to speak in tongues when saved (not true 1 Corinthians 12-13), and the idea of cutting off demons heads and casting them into Hades (Luke 16) rather than just sending them to Hades, or sending them away.

    But, that experience is not the primary reason I hold to Christianity it is still based on Biblical, Theological, and Philosophical evidences.

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  16. Uncle Chucky here.
    Religulous was more or less what I expected, the equivalent of a bunch of old boys with their cigars getting together and making fun of all the religious nuts, for a good laugh. It ought to be taken more as a comedy than a documentary, like Michael Moore's films. As an example, the film talks about the Horus myth popularized by the "Zeitgeist" film, taking its claims (that Biblical Christianity is merely derivative of older Egyptian mythology) as truth without talking to anyone that might actually be authoritative, like an Egyptologist. There is also the focus of extreme or minority views within Christiandom, and making these appear to be the norm, e.g. hatred of homosexuals, rejection of all kinds of evolution, belief in a 6000-year-old earth, etc. I did find parts of the movie amusing, but it is frustrating that the public seldom gets anything other than a distorted stereotype image of Christianity. Christians do take some of the blame for this -- we should be more willing to engage in real debate and discussion, and question our views -- even if we regard the Bible to be absolute truth, there are many ways that different groups of Christians interpret different parts, and we should not be so stubborn as to assume that our view is totally correct in all respects, without giving alternative views a fair listen. Hopefully this blog will in some way help to increase such discussion.

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  17. 'Religulous was more or less what I expected, the equivalent of a bunch of old boys with their cigars getting together and making fun of all the religious nuts, for a good laugh. It ought to be taken more as a comedy than a documentary,'

    Reasonable.

    'As an example, the film talks about the Horus myth popularized by the "Zeitgeist" film, taking its claims (that Biblical Christianity is merely derivative of older Egyptian mythology) as truth without talking to anyone that might actually be authoritative, like an Egyptologist.'

    Not a well-documented scholarly film.

    'There is also the focus of extreme or minority views within Christiandom, and making these appear to be the norm, e.g. hatred of homosexuals, rejection of all kinds of evolution, belief in a 6000-year-old earth, etc.'

    I suppose your point/thought is microevolution as in human beings evolving from human beings is reasonable but another species evolving from human beings has not been proven, there is no missing link. At least in the case of humanity. In other words you do not support macroevolution, and I do not either.

    Agreed there is no room for any hatred. I have discussed the age of the earth issue on my blogs and that is a work in progress.

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  23. You are quite right in your analysis of this film from Mr. Bill M. It lacks scholarly virtue even if it is a comedy. Upon reading your article on some of the subjects Mr. B scoffs at, he should have made a better effort in his research before making a film of such serious subject matter.
    -One Thumb Down-

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  25. Thank you for your definition of terms in your article pertaining to the position that some religious people take with respect to the abandonment of reason in favor of faith. Quite illuminating. I think you would agree that there has to be a good standing relationship between faith and reason??
    -Still Learning-

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    Makes him sound a bit of a snnnob.;)

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    Thank you for your definition of terms in your article pertaining to the position that some religious people take with respect to the abandonment of reason in favor of faith. Quite illuminating. I think you would agree that there has to be a good standing relationship between faith and reason??
    -Still Learning-'

    I think a Christian should pray for and seek a reasonable faith.

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