King's Chapel, Cambridge University
1. Over the holidays I came across this short article from the Saudi Gazette. I will deal with some points from it.
Saudi Gazette Dec 30, 2010
It calls Jesus Christ the Noble Prophet of Islam.
'...On the other hand, modern-day Christians (where the majority are Pauline Christians) consider him to be the “begotten son” of God and worship him as if he is one of the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth.'
And it also states:
'But the Islamic view of Jesus (peace be upon him) is based on what God has revealed to mankind when He said, “Verily, the likeness of Jesus in Allah’s sight is in the likeness of Adam, He created him from dust, then (He) said to him, “Be!” and he was. This is the truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt.” (Qur’an 3: 59-60)
So in Almighty Allah’s view, the creation of Jesus is no different from the creation of Adam (peace be upon them). When Allah wants to create something, He only says “Be!” and it is. He can create anything and anyway He pleases.'
E.F. Harrison summarizes the ideas of Jesus Christ as only begotten son as meaning he is unique, all that God is, and is alone this. Harrison (1996: 799). Greek scholar Bauer states 'only and unique' may be quite adequate for all the Johannine uses in regard to Christ being only-begotten. Bauer (1979: 527).
According to Colossians 1, the idea of co-creator would be a more accurate description of Christ as opposed to one of the 'Creator'. N.T. Wright states Paul regarded Jesus as fully divine and yet not the Father. Wright (1989: 69). The pre-existent Lord of the world becomes the Lord of the Church. Wright (1989: 69). From all eternity Jesus in his nature was the image of God reflecting the nature of the Father. Wright (1989: 70). Christ would therefore be the Father's image within humanity. Wright (1989: 70).
Colossians 1:14-18
According to Colossians 1, the idea of co-creator would be a more accurate description of Christ as opposed to one of the 'Creator'. N.T. Wright states Paul regarded Jesus as fully divine and yet not the Father. Wright (1989: 69). The pre-existent Lord of the world becomes the Lord of the Church. Wright (1989: 69). From all eternity Jesus in his nature was the image of God reflecting the nature of the Father. Wright (1989: 70). Christ would therefore be the Father's image within humanity. Wright (1989: 70).
Colossians 1:14-18
I am not an expert on Islamic texts, but they came about several hundreds of years after the New Testament era and we clearly here within the discipline of comparative religion (not being mean or nasty or disliking Muslims here) have a disagreement. I side with the New Testament concerning Christ and also the Hebrew Bible and the Prophets which came earlier. There is no internal reason from the New Testament to believe that Christ was not God the Son, God the Word. The Islamic ideas were added hundreds of years later externally. Non-Biblically.
The End.
2. I was quite keen on attending Cambridge for many years. I met a very nice older gentleman there in Cambridge that had tea and biscuits with me in 1997 that stated that they would likely accept me for the PhD program if would first do the GRE (Graduate Record Examination). Now at this point I already had 3.7+ GPA with BA and MTS degrees and so I was, to be honest, insulted. But, I was used to being insulted in the UK by this time, and more was to come, and was about to fight back.;) But not with insults, but with God-given success over the next many years. I seriously considered taking the GRE for awhile and actually came back to BC and went to SFU locally and picked up a GRE practice test and started working on some University intro level, mathematics questions, for example. But, I thought about spending months studying University intro level mathematics, science, and English literature etc. to 'prove' I could do a PhD in Theology and Philosophy of Religion when there were no GRE questions related to Theology and Philosophy and thought this very educational and very stupid. So, I said no to Cambridge.
Wales' educational approach made more sense as they had one do the MPhil thesis first and then a PhD. The social sciences and statistics manuals according to my advisor were at a Masters' level. I was not assisted with understanding the texts (cue cards) but my questionnaires and surveys were reviewed by my advisors. And with the post-viva revisions I did review thirty plus scientific journals concerning consciousness. So, granted there was some statistics with my MPhil and PhD and therefore mathematics and there was science in the Doctorate. I have always admitted on these blogs I need to keep learning in many disciplines. There could have been the possibility that at my PhD viva that my examiners were more empirical theologians and more statistical leaning and so that meant I had to have cue cards and have all that studied and memorized for months along with all the other theological and philosophical material. As it turned out one of my examiners was a theologian and the other one was a philosopher and they ended up wanting graphs! So, Cambridge was not completely out to lunch with their approach, but they were still holding the lunch bucket with Scooby-Doo on it, so to speak.
'Shaggy'.
3. From my recent searches to attempt to find more Google/Blogger followers worldwide for which I have made some progress, this is non-scientific, and non-statistical, but having looked at many Christian evangelical blogs, Reformed blogs, and now South American and Latin European blogs, and am deducing 60-70% of bloggers are young women. Does this mean I will change my marketing strategy? My blog content? Nope. But for some of you male Christian bloggers out there. Hint. When you do an article on evil or demons, for example, posting dark imagery all over your blog probably is not going to make your readers feel comfortable and want to come back again and again. Again Christian ministry blogging material outside of standard church fare like on Sunday morning is going to be controversial enough and so one must stay in the truth but always consider the audience. So, I keep telling myself...
BAUER, W (1979) A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Translated by Eric H. Wahlstrom, Chicago, The University of Chicago Press.
HARRISON, E.F. (1996) ‘Only Begotten' in Walter A. Elwell (ed.), Evangelical Dictionary of Theology, Grand Rapids, Baker Books.
MARSHALL, ALFRED (1975)(1996) The Interlinear KJV-NIV, Grand Rapids, Zondervan.
WRIGHT, N.T. (1989) Colossians, Grand Rapids, IVP/Eerdmans.
Wales' educational approach made more sense as they had one do the MPhil thesis first and then a PhD. The social sciences and statistics manuals according to my advisor were at a Masters' level. I was not assisted with understanding the texts (cue cards) but my questionnaires and surveys were reviewed by my advisors. And with the post-viva revisions I did review thirty plus scientific journals concerning consciousness. So, granted there was some statistics with my MPhil and PhD and therefore mathematics and there was science in the Doctorate. I have always admitted on these blogs I need to keep learning in many disciplines. There could have been the possibility that at my PhD viva that my examiners were more empirical theologians and more statistical leaning and so that meant I had to have cue cards and have all that studied and memorized for months along with all the other theological and philosophical material. As it turned out one of my examiners was a theologian and the other one was a philosopher and they ended up wanting graphs! So, Cambridge was not completely out to lunch with their approach, but they were still holding the lunch bucket with Scooby-Doo on it, so to speak.
'Shaggy'.
3. From my recent searches to attempt to find more Google/Blogger followers worldwide for which I have made some progress, this is non-scientific, and non-statistical, but having looked at many Christian evangelical blogs, Reformed blogs, and now South American and Latin European blogs, and am deducing 60-70% of bloggers are young women. Does this mean I will change my marketing strategy? My blog content? Nope. But for some of you male Christian bloggers out there. Hint. When you do an article on evil or demons, for example, posting dark imagery all over your blog probably is not going to make your readers feel comfortable and want to come back again and again. Again Christian ministry blogging material outside of standard church fare like on Sunday morning is going to be controversial enough and so one must stay in the truth but always consider the audience. So, I keep telling myself...
BAUER, W (1979) A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Translated by Eric H. Wahlstrom, Chicago, The University of Chicago Press.
HARRISON, E.F. (1996) ‘Only Begotten' in Walter A. Elwell (ed.), Evangelical Dictionary of Theology, Grand Rapids, Baker Books.
MARSHALL, ALFRED (1975)(1996) The Interlinear KJV-NIV, Grand Rapids, Zondervan.
WRIGHT, N.T. (1989) Colossians, Grand Rapids, IVP/Eerdmans.
It's no wonder to me that popular atheists and people who in general are anti-religion attack all religions on the basis of logical inconsistencies, especially with respect to the person of Jesus. Unfortunately Christianity can be misrepresented in such a way as to appear to have inconsistencies as well, especially by those whose faith is not grounded in Biblical truth, and present a different picture, perhaps in order to appeal to a broader audience. Openness theology comes to mind (the idea that God is limited in knowledge). Or the prosperity gospel. Both of which appear to ignore completely the teaching of certain books, like Job: God is omniscient, omnipotent, just, merciful, and does not necessarily work according to our expectations.
ReplyDeleteI wonder how Jesus' sermons and teachings are handled by other religions like Islam or Baha'i?
Thanks for adding more about "only begotten", since that had tweaked my interest a few days back.
ReplyDeleteWe recently were having fun with our kids taking the GRE. It is a delightful sort of thing to do together as a family event. Glad you managed to avoid it!
1. Good points. Consider the source and culture. Is one going to expect the New Testament and Hebrew Bible to get fair treatment from the Saudi Gazette when Islam as overriding truth is such an accepted part of the culture?
ReplyDelete2. Yes, when I lived in the UK openness theology was popular and I was just really learning about it. I picked up more about it via future MPhil and PhD research. Reformed Theology is more closed but not totally closed as there is room for prayer! Even in a universe where God wills all things.
Reformed Theology need not feature hard determinism.
Thanks, Chuck.
Welcome, Looney.
ReplyDeleteThere were a lot of Blogger hassles with formatting and spelling with this post, but it was worth it. I am glad I answered that article.:)
Thanks as always.
LOL.
ReplyDeleteOkay. Well, I went to Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, BC to grab my practice GRE several years ago.
I have also done some GRE math online in the past.
So thanks for the comment.;)
It calls Jesus Christ the Noble Prophet of Islam.
ReplyDeleteYeah, Muslims believe that Jesus, along with all the prophets in the O.T. (including Adam), were Muslims.
No false religion or cult believes that Jesus is God Almighty. Muslims believe Jesus was only a prophet. Most people believe that Jesus was either a prophet, or a great teacher or philosopher, or just a good person.
Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus is a (lesser) god, but not Almighty God. They believe Jesus was created. They also believe Jesus was/is Michael the Archangel.
Mormons believe Jesus and Satan were spirit brothers (whatever that is), and that Jesus accepted the Father's plan for salvation, while Satan proposed his own plan, and the Father chose Jesus. Mormons believe that the character and life of Jesus is attainable by anyone who performs at such a righteous level (like all false religions and cults, it is, of course, works-based).
Additionally, every false religion or cult either completely denies or distorts the Trinity in some manner.
Off Topic post:
ReplyDeleteDoes cultural sensitivity extend to allowing others to be disrespectful toward the terminally ill? I found this NIMBY protest against plans to build a hospice shocking, but I expect that they will probably get their way in the end, since most of the present and future owners in that building are likely to have similar views.
False world religions and pseudo-Christian movements distort who Christ is and was.
ReplyDeleteThankfully within Christianity, although we have problems, we have solid enough Greek manuscripts, history and sound theology.
And even philosophy of religion is helpful at times.
The real Christ is presented.
Well-done, Jeff.
“‘Death is the Yin and ‘Live’ is the Yang,” it read. “If the Yin and Yang are near to each other, ‘Death’ will bring bad luck, meaning sickness and even death . . . The ghosts of the dead will invade and harass the living.”
ReplyDeleteBy this person's philosophy...
Death is Yin.
Live is Yang.
I state:
Everyone dies.
Therefore...by their philosophy
Yin wins.
ahhh... but Yin does not win for the Christian, if Christian then Yang will win because those in Christ only go from this life to the next..Death does not have a hold upon us for Jesus took the keys to death hell and the grave..
ReplyDeleteJust giving you a hard-time Russ :D, i realize that Yin and Yang are referring to natural death and life..
Good post i really enjoyed it..
Tammy :)
Thanks, Tamela.;)
ReplyDeleteI was of course pointing out the futility of the philosophy.
Great post, as always :) I think muslim's have an interesting view of Jesus...but agree with your interpretation and definitely consider the NT to have more of a standing that the Quran due to the fact that it was written so much earlier.
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Jessica
www.ascendingthehills.blogspot.com
Thanks very much Jessica, we agree.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate you as well linking satire and theology on your blog and so I reciprocated.
Russ:)
Young women bloggers ftw!
ReplyDelete:)
One must accept reality.;)
ReplyDeletePlus take a look at the majority of my Google/Blogger followers with satire and theology and thekingpin68 which are more likely to be Bloggers than say with Facebook/Networked Blogs followers.
Thanks, Ms. Fikalo from Australia.
Wow! That place is absolutely breath-taking. I'm not one who's big on religion, but I can appreciate that!
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comment and have a very good weekend.
ReplyDeleteThank you. I really need to get Jesus to forgive those who caused me injustice. I love Jesus Christ, He is my reason for living. Keep praying for me. God bless you. The Peace of the Lord.
ReplyDeleteI'm reading and studying Colonossenses.
Thanks, Katia.
ReplyDeleteI also need to prayerfully work on forgiveness and ask for it in Christ, realizing it is already in the atonement but seeking it from others.
Saudi Arabian view of Jesus in your article is interesting, but a misinterpretation of the Biblical view as Jesus being Lord. Nice rebuttal. Thanks.
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Same train I take to work every day crashed into a BC rail rig back in Sept. 2008.
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ReplyDelete'Saudi Arabian view of Jesus in your article is interesting, but a misinterpretation of the Biblical view as Jesus being Lord. Nice rebuttal. Thanks.
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I think this blog now has good direction.
Cheers.
'Same train I take to work every day crashed into a BC rail rig back in Sept. 2008.'
ReplyDeleteThe rig seemed to have had time to move out of the way.
When I took the bus to work to Vancouver during summer when I was doing course work I was in a couple similar accidents.
'Parked Aussie cars go for a swim.'
ReplyDeleteI feel bad for the vehicle owners, but hope insurance covers, but I do not underestimate psychological damage to persons.
'Southpark-style adventure explaining money and central banking.'
ReplyDeleteAgain, the philosophy comes back to me, better to live cheaper and within one's means than be in great debt.
Thanks for the comments, Chuck.
Obrigada por visitar meu blog. Bem interessante seu blog. Desejo que seja de bênção e edificação. Um ótimo final de semana. Abraços
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ReplyDeleteThe following might presumably be a response to political correctness, multiculturalism, the idea that all roads lead to truth, or the idea that there can't be only one way to Heaven, or the oft-(over)used accusation of racism, or religious tolerance (which seems to always hold Christianity as an exception), or the idea that all religions are equally valid, or the popular bumper sticker "COEXIST":
ReplyDelete"Jesus died to create a whole new way for races to be reconciled. Ritual and race are not the ground of joyful togetherness. Christ is. He fulfilled the law perfectly. All the aspects of it that separated people ended in him---except one: the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is impossible to build a lasting unity among races by saying that all religions can come together as equally valid. Jesus Christ is the Son of God. God sent him into the world as the one and only means of saving sinners and reconciling races forever. If we deny this, we undermine the very foundation of eternal hope and everlasting unity among peoples. By his death on the cross, something cosmic, not parochial, was accomplished. God and man were reconciled. Only as the races find and enjoy this will they love and enjoy each other forever. In overcoming our alienation from God, Christ overcomes it between races." (p. 107, "Fifty Reasons Why Jesus Came To Die," Chapter 44, To Destroy The Hostility Between Races, by John Piper)
“The discrepancies and contradictions which existed between the various readings of the Qur’an and copies of the companions of Muhammad became a grave cause of dissension among Muslims, not only in Makkah and Madinah but as far away as Iraq and Syria. … Muslims disagreed about the variant editions of the Qur’an so much that we are told that ‘during Uthman’s time, pupils and teachers ended up killing each other.’ … Zaid and his committee made use of this earlier copy and further corrected it wherever they decided it was necessary. Uthman then sent copies of this new, official compilation to every Muslim province and ‘ordered that all other Qur’anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.’” [Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, p. 479.] … This drastic action by Uthman is itself evidence that major textual differences existed between various copies of the Qur’an.”
ReplyDelete(p. 30-31, “The Bible and The Qur’an: A Question of Integrity,” by Steven Masood.)
'Jesus Christ is the Son of God. God sent him into the world as the one and only means of saving sinners and reconciling races forever. If we deny this, we undermine the very foundation of eternal hope and everlasting unity among peoples.'
ReplyDeleteYes.
'This drastic action by Uthman is itself evidence that major textual differences existed between various copies of the Qur’an.”'
ReplyDeleteSomething that was not mentioned in my 'World Religions' class trips to mosques!
Well-done, Jeff. Thank you.
Hi! Nice to meet you! Thank you for your visit and comment on my blog! I started blogging a month or so, not yet established exactly the kind of content you put there, I'm still getting used ... I chose to start talking about myself and daily stories with my daughters.
ReplyDeleteI am a Christian (one), but try not to get into this topic because people have different opinions, and some like to be contentious ... I'd rather not risk it!
But, I love your blog because it is well written and well-written ... subjects with deep and intelligent!
I like women, young and blogger, I appreciate it, keep it up, no need to change your marketing strategy ok?!
Congratulations for the post!
A big hug and blessings to you!
PS = I'm following you because I liked your content, I know that my blog is more feminine, but would be happy to have your company there too!! hehehehehe
'Hi! Nice to meet you! Thank you for your visit and comment on my blog!'
ReplyDeleteNice to meet you and family too, Sabri. I returned the following.
'I started blogging a month or so, not yet established exactly the kind of content you put there, I'm still getting used ... I chose to start talking about myself and daily stories with my daughters.
I am a Christian (one), but try not to get into this topic because people have different opinions, and some like to be contentious ... I'd rather not risk it!'
Yes, if you write academic blogs like mine you may end up getting in debates like I do. Even though I try to restrain myself from being too controversial!;)
'But, I love your blog because it is well written and well-written ... subjects with deep and intelligent!'
Out of mistakes, comes an attempt at an attempt at near perfection, which is really only an attempt at excellence.
'I like women, young and blogger, I appreciate it, keep it up, no need to change your marketing strategy ok?!'
I needed to face reality, young women are the present and future of blogging it seems.:) Cheers.
'Congratulations for the post!
A big hug and blessings to you!
PS = I'm following you because I liked your content, I know that my blog is more feminine, but would be happy to have your company there too!! hehehehehe'
I will visit.
Russ:)
A Christian blogger you might want to check out. He seems to be into apologetics:
ReplyDeleteClay Jones
Concerning the Crusades, in case you are interested (the first link is a blog site, the second related link is a downloadable audio on the Crusades):
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Interview: The Crusades (downloadable audio)
Thanks for the research, Jeff.
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