Austin, Texas (trekearth.com)
January 30, 2011
I came across this article in The Economist from January 27, 2011. I present segments of it in quotations and comment.
the economist
From The Economist
'"The Future of the Global Muslim Population”, produced by the Pew Research Centre, a non-profit outfit based in Washington, DC, reckons Muslim numbers will soar from 1.6 billion in 2010 to 2.2 billion by 2030. In other words, from 23.4% to 26.4% of the global total.
At the heart of its analysis is the ongoing effect of a “youth bulge” which peaked in 2000. In 1990 Islam’s share of the world’s youth was 20%; in 2010, 26%. In 2030 it will be 29% (of 15-to-29-year-olds). But the Muslim world is slowly heading towards paunchiness: the median age in Muslim-majority countries was 19 in 1990. It is 24 now, and will be 30 by 2030. (For French, Germans and Japanese the figure is 40 or over.) This suggests Muslim numbers will ultimately stop climbing, but later than the rest of the world population."
The article concerning Europe and North America
'The total Muslim share of Europe’s population is predicted to grow from 6% now to 8% in 2030: hardly the stuff of nightmares. But amid that are some sharp rises. The report assumes Britain has 2.9m Muslims now (far higher than the usual estimates, which suggest 2.4m at most), rising to 5.6m by 2030. As poor migrants start families in Spain and Italy, numbers there will rocket; in France and Germany, where some Muslims are middle-class, rises will be more modest—though from a higher base. Russia’s Muslims will increase to 14.4% or 18.6m, up from 11.7% now (partly because non-Muslims are declining). The report takes a cautious baseline of 2.6m American Muslims in 2010, but predicts the number will surge by 2030 to 6.2m, or 1.7% of the population—about the same size as Jews or Episcopalians. In Canada the Muslim share will surge from 2.8% to 6.6%."
Based on the Pew Research Centre research and forecast in 19 years there will be 2.2. billion Muslims instead of the present (2010) estimated 1.6 billion. The % will go from 23.4 % to 26.4% in their estimation.
However, in the next 19 years that will still have the world at basically/approximately the 25% mark with Muslims. This is just one study, but it seems things will be much the same over the next twenty years in regard to Muslim world numbers.
Therefore, from this study I cannot deduce that the increase in numbers will have Islam substantially cause cultural change in the West within the next twenty years.
Concerning Europe and North America
'The total Muslim share of Europe’s population is predicted to grow from 6% now to 8% in 2030: hardly the stuff of nightmares.'
If this is accurate, I would tend to agree. With over 5.5 million Muslims in the UK estimated by 2030, those are high numbers. The study claims numbers will rise in Spain and Italy and interestingly the rises are predicted to be modest in France and Germany, although 10% Muslims in France by 2030 would be quite substantial but still nowhere near a majority of the population. There would be over 7+% forecast for Germany, a significant minority. Russia is still a non-Western country and is mostly in Asia and so in a sense a different issue. With less than 2% of Americans being Muslim in 2030 that is obviously a small minority. In Canada the rise from 2.8% to 6.6% seems fairly substantial. Back to Europe and the graphic...Sweden? Interesting, those are large numbers predicted.
The question is asked at the end of the article how liberal democracies will respond to the challenge.
It states that the USA has its constitution which may protect it better than many European countries.
I ponder on which trend is more likely in certain European countries with no specific timeline.
1. The Muslim minority tend to become Westernized, and support the Western democratic system, and radical political and religious persons within Islam are not able to cause significant movements toward Islamic (Shari'a) law that are a threat to democracy.
2. The Muslim minority tend to become Westernized, and many support the Western democratic system, but radical political and religious persons within Islam cause significant movements toward Islamic (Shari'a) law that are a threat to democracy.
Aberystwyth, Wales
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Admittedly I am a moderate conservative and I for example, do not generally think tattoos look good on women. No moral judgment, but a strong preference, especially against large ones. But this Facebook ad showed up today (January 30, 2011) on the right side of my Facebook page as a young lady was trying to message me. She (not the woman in the ad) is a Facebook friend that I may have met online during my former Facebook dating application days.
Now why does this 'Christian Girl' have dyed orange hair and piercings of the nose and lip? The typical single Christian male is probably going to look for someone a bit more conservative looking. But no moral judgment of the young lady. There are sincere true Christians with tattoos and piercings. But that is not the main point of this second section of my post.
This ad was not a work of a marketing genius.
Perhaps the next ad should feature a 'Christian Goth Girl'.
Perhaps the next ad should feature a 'Christian Goth Girl'.
It will be especially interesting to see which way the North African and middle eastern countries currently experiencing popular revolt (Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan and Yemen) will go.
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That face looks so plastic I half-expect her to be able to peel it off.
Does a Christian girl have to have a picture? and if she does . is what you see, who she is? Jesus looks at us unconditionally... He said "come as you are" ..I hope when someone see's my tattoo (of a girl with tears of pain and sorrow and a cross of Hope around her neck) and my eyebrow piercing that they don't judge me for it.. that they think..she can't be a Christian, looking like that...I know this wasn't the focus of this blog post... just what my eyes picked out...As always...XOXOXO
ReplyDelete'It will be especially interesting to see which way the North African and middle eastern countries currently experiencing popular revolt (Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan and Yemen) will go.'
ReplyDeleteMuch to observe in the future.
'Re: ChristianMingle pic
That face looks so plastic I half-expect her to be able to peel it off.'
I think she has that model look, just not marketed well.
Thanks, Chucky.
'Does a Christian girl have to have a picture?'
ReplyDeleteNot on my blogs.;)
'...and if she does . is what you see, who she is? Jesus looks at us unconditionally...'
I would see her picture, and hopefully would enjoy her fine blogging presentation.:)
'He said "come as you are" ..I hope when someone see's my tattoo (of a girl with tears of pain and sorrow and a cross of Hope around her neck) and my eyebrow piercing that they don't judge me for it.. that they think..she can't be a Christian, looking like that...I know this wasn't the focus of this blog post... just what my eyes picked out...As always...XOXOXO'
Like I said tattoos are not my preference but I do not make a moral judgment on people based on it.
I reason it is okay to have preference on aesthetics.
Thanks, Bongo.
The other day I finished reading, for the second time, the thin book, "Arrested in the Kingdom," The story of Filipino pastor, Oswaldo Magdangal, who was saved from hanging in Saudi Arabia. It revealed some interesting things about how things are in Saudi Arabia. For example:
ReplyDelete"There is often a great divide between the muttawas [religious police] and the civilian authorities. The civilian authorities look at it this way: "The muttawas are so very powerful, often looking to outflank the authorities. And they are very abusive." And the muttawas look at it this way: "We are higher than the civilian authorities because we are working for Allah, and so you must submit to us. This is the nature of the power struggle."
Also:
"Having lived in Saudi Arabia for so long, we knew about the muttawa. Actually there is no single government agency, no matter how small the office is, without muttawa staff. They penetrate every government department. No office can ever be set up without the muttawa. That's how strong they are."
And:
"In Saudi Arabia, informing a prisoner of his sentence is not allowed. You are only told a few moments before your execution. Why? Because then you are helpless and cannot make an appeal. And the public will not know of your case, your family will not know, until the following day when the papers carry the news of your execution. Then, they cannot do anything, because you are already dead. That is how they operate."
It looks like 'ol Kingpin has changed his format (including providing links for every numbered reference, which must have taken a lot of work), and it appears that he no longer accepts comments.
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ReplyDeleteA rare look at secretive Brotherhood in America
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ReplyDeleteThanks, Jeff.
ReplyDeleteSaudi Arabia=The dangers of too close of a connection between religion and the State.
'It looks like 'ol Kingpin has changed his format (including providing links for every numbered reference, which must have taken a lot of work), and it appears that he no longer accepts comments.'
ReplyDeleteThe numbered references are transferred sometimes successfully from MS Word (PhD) to MS Word (new) and then Blogger. So, when it works, not that much work.
I just ran a test comment on thekingpin68 and it works fine. However, the Blogger problem with counting comments is back. Presently at one page, the main blog page, it states 36 comments and in the post page itself, staying on the blog template, it states 34 comments. Also at the main page when I click on 36 comments, inside it shows 34 comments.
Cheers, Jeff.
I am off to Mission...
BTW, I sent 14 CVs out to North Carolina. Most for any State so far.
"Muslims Only"
ReplyDeleteThankfully not a road sign I view around here.
From the link:
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A note from the editors
The Muslim Brotherhood is a key chapter in any story about the struggle for the soul of Islam. Formed in Egypt in 1928, the Brotherhood spawned generations of Islamic activists, both peaceful and violent, around the globe. It is the most influential Islamic fundamentalist organization in the world.'
Hello!
ReplyDeleteHas a job to translate your post, but I did! I found it interesting to research on the Islamic population and I agree with you: there is a strong tendency to "Westernization"of young people.
About the tattoos, in fact, nothing to see. do not understand why there are people who have the need to mark your body. The behavior, attitudes and moral values they carry, they speak far more than any design artificial signaled in the body. Nothing against it, but I'm not even a fan ...
However, the comment is relevant Bongo Jesus accepts us as we are. But we should consider that with the Word tells us that "all we are allowed, but not everything in it is lawful"
That's it.
Thanks for stopping by and affection in my private universe:)
'Hello!
ReplyDeleteHas a job to translate your post, but I did!'
The effort is much appreciated, Karla. I do try and understand the Portuguese and Spanish posts I comment on as well, as much as possible using translation. I try not to just comment on images every time.
'I found it interesting to research on the Islamic population and I agree with you: there is a strong tendency to "Westernization"of young people.'
Yes. I hope radical elements will not prevail politically with Islam, in Europe.
'About the tattoos, in fact, nothing to see. do not understand why there are people who have the need to mark your body. The behavior, attitudes and moral values they carry, they speak far more than any design artificial signaled in the body. Nothing against it, but I'm not even a fan ...'
I know of solid Christians with tattoos. But I also acknowledge what you are stating can be a negative with some persons in the world. Like you I was expressing my opinion of the esthetics of tattoos, especially large, dominant ones, on women in my case.
'However, the comment is relevant Bongo Jesus accepts us as we are. But we should consider that with the Word tells us that "all we are allowed, but not everything in it is lawful"
That's it.'
Yes, this is not an anti-people with tattoos post.;)
'Thanks for stopping by and affection in my private universe:)'
Welcome, you have an interesting blog.
It's bad. Iam studing Romanos book. Thank you. I speak very little english. I am sarry.
ReplyDeleteKatia, I respect you for studying Romans.
ReplyDeleteYour English is better than my Portuguese.
Cheers.
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ReplyDeletePelo visto, um assunto sobre tatuagens e piercing's no mundo cristão... resultaria em um bom post!!
São coisas polemicas e não sabemos até que ponto vai o certo e o errado.
Sou de uma igreja conservadora, mas não condeno as "liberais".
Apenas tenho a certeza de que quando o espírito santo realmente passa a habitar em nós, ele nos convence e nos mostra como devemos realmente adorar a Deus.
"todas as coisas me são lícitas, mas nem todas me convém"
Verdade!!!
Abraços e obrigado pelas visitinhas ao meu blog!!!
idéias serão bem vindas !!!
Yahoo Babel Fish translation:
ReplyDelete'oi! For the visa, a subject on tattooings and piercing' s in the Christian world… would result in good post! They are things controversies and we do not know until point goes the certain e the wrong one. I am of a church conservative, but I do not condemn " liberais". But I have the certainty of that when the Espirito Santo really starts to inhabit in us, it convinces in them and the sample as we must really adore the God. " all the things me are allowed, but nor all me convém" Truth! Abraços and debtor for visitinhas to mine blog! ideas will be comings well!'
Thank you, Sabrina. Yes I do not condemn those with tattoos or piercings for that matter, either, not at all.
After reading this article on the growth of Islam in Europe, I cannot help but wonder, could you provide the stats of Christian growth in Europe and Canada in particular??
ReplyDelete-Curiosity Is Where Its At-
Tats on girls can be nice, if its done with style and meaning and not to much. Personally, tats are far to commercial in society, and not attractive, I've seen tats on men and women that take away from their image and looks. I am not a fan of tats.
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'After reading this article on the growth of Islam in Europe, I cannot help but wonder, could you provide the stats of Christian growth in Europe and Canada in particular??'
ReplyDeleteThat is tough. Here are some links:
Christian population growth
Major Religions of the World
Ranked by Number of Adherents
'Tats on girls can be nice, if its done with style and meaning and not to much.'
ReplyDeleteI won't state they cannot be nice, but I prefer women not to have them. That is my opinion based on aesthetics.
'Personally, tats are far to commercial in society, and not attractive, I've seen tats on men and women that take away from their image and looks. I am not a fan of tats.'
Good point.
Thanks.
Hey Russ,
ReplyDeleteIt will be interesting to see what comes of Egypt..
Tattoos are not my personal preference either. My daughter has one and my son as two.. but mama will never have one..
Tammy :)
Although my niece has her tongue and nose pierced, and both my nephews and my brother-in-law have tattoos, and one of my brothers has a pierced ear (plus a Christian friend of mine has both arms completely covered in tattoos, but he got those before he became a Christian, and now regrets it), personally, I think tattoos and pierced noses or pierced tongues or pierced lips only mar the body and detract from it's God-given natural beauty. I liken it to how graffiti mars a building and makes it look less beautiful (and I am an artist).
ReplyDeleteNevertheless, I am not going to condemn someone just because they have tattoos or piercings or purple or blue hair, etc. To me, all of that is similar to what clothes or makeup someone chooses to wear.
In fact, remember that Jesus was pierced too! ; )
And if someone is a Christian, and they 'must' get a tattoo, HERE is one suggestion.
Russ,
ReplyDeleteThe instructor that I took the 3 weeks of courses on Islam from is the author of the book that I think you said you own, entitled, "The Bible and the Qur'an." He has a few things in common with you, I think. He is a Christian, an ex-Muslim from Pakistan (who became a follower of Jesus in April 1973 in Karachi, Pakistan). I think he speaks 4 languages. Similar to you, he has a Master of Theology degree and a Doctorate of Philosophy (from the London School of Theology in association with Brunel University, London). He has spent 20 years studying and working in Christian-Muslim relations and has taught Islamic Studies and Christian-Muslim relations as a visiting lecturer at several Christian institutions in Britain and the Far East. He lectures at seminars, in conferences and churches.
'Hey Russ,
ReplyDeleteIt will be interesting to see what comes of Egypt..
Tattoos are not my personal preference either. My daughter has one and my son as two.. but mama will never have one..'
I agree on Egypt. And I would like to see the pyramids.
I will not state, for example, that I would refuse to date a woman with a small tattoo or two, but I just greatly prefer normal skin.
Thanks, Tamela.
'I think tattoos and pierced noses or pierced tongues or pierced lips only mar the body and detract from it's God-given natural beauty. I liken it to how graffiti mars a building and makes it look less beautiful (and I am an artist).'
ReplyDeleteExcellent point, Jeff. I agree on the marring, in particular with the tattoos, the piercings do not bother me as much.
'Nevertheless, I am not going to condemn someone just because they have tattoos or piercings or purple or blue hair, etc. To me, all of that is similar to what clothes or makeup someone chooses to wear.'
Reasonable. I agree.
'And if someone is a Christian, and they 'must' get a tattoo, HERE is one suggestion.'
Well, in another related topic I am also not one to have pictures of Jesus or God that I focus on. I am not legalistic on this, or judgmental of others, but I prefer to pray to the Lord without having some picture or image clearly in mind.
Steven Masood. I have used the book for reference a little, 'The Bible and The Qur'an'.
ReplyDeleteA good opportunity for you with that course.
Cheers, Jeff.
What's up Doc? What about a tatoo for you? I wonder what it would be?
ReplyDelete-Just Wondering-
If I could get a tattoo that covered scars with what looked like normal flesh that would be cool.;)
ReplyDeleteI think I would be looking more to science than a tattoo parlour.
Tonight I went witnessing in the downtown square with about 10 other people, handing out gospel tracts. One of the gospel tracts I gave out was called "Everybody is Pierced," (it has a picture of a guy with nose, lip and ear piercings on the front) which I gave to a guy who was working in a tattoo parlor. He immediately started reading it.
ReplyDeleteWhile we were handing out tracts and witnessing to people, police cars pulled up in front of this steak house and took two guys away in handcuffs, and somebody said something about one of them having a knife.
A fun Friday night.
Does sound Florida like.
ReplyDeleteI respect you for doing ministry.
Cheers.
The following prayer is the creed of Allah and Muhammad and is obligatory for Muslims to recite five times a day. (Unfortunately, non-Arabic Muslims, who don't speak Arabic, don't even realize what they're praying.) In each prayer, Muslims have to repeat the first chapter (Sura) of the Quran, Al-Fatiha, twice and all together ten times a day. Muhammad called this chapter the magnificent and greatest of all chapters (Bukhari; V6, B60&61, H226&528). He also said, “Whoever does not recite Al-Fatiha in his prayer, his prayer is invalid” (Bukhari: V1, B12, H723). This chapter contains seven verses. Verse 5, "You (Allah) we (Muslims) worship, and you we ask for help. Guide us to the Straight Path. The Path of those (Muslims) you have blessed, not the path of those (Jews) you have cursed nor of those (Christians) who are in darkness." All Islamic texts prove that these verses ask Muslims not to have peace with Jews and Christians.
ReplyDeleteOn February 27th, speaking to Kristof of The New York Times, Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."
Check out this video which shows a Muslim call to prayer in Brooklyn:
It’s 6 in the Morning….
Thank you Jeff. I will not be reciting it.:)
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ReplyDeleteThanks, Jeff.
ReplyDelete'CBS News Correspondent Lara Logan Gang-Raped During Egyptian Protests'
Very sorry to read this. I saw an interview with her on Charlie Rose the other day. A very intellectual woman. I did read elsewhere it may not have been a sexual assualt, none the less very wrong.