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Zombie and I took Uncle Chuck out for dinner as his Father recently passed away. After dinner per Saint Chucklins II's request we went over the Golden Ears Bridge, paid the toll and headed to Langley to watch the latest movie in the 'Alien' franchise 'Prometheus'. Although I admit the films are well-made normally I would not watch them in the theatre or on television because I find them too gory. But the movie does serve a blogging purpose.
From Wikipedia the Alien creature is the films is described as follows.
Alien
‘a highly aggressive extraterrestrial creature that stalks and kills the crew of a spaceship.’
In Prometheus is it deduced these creatures may have created human beings, although the one scientist wisely asks who made the creatures, to another scientist, seemingly understanding the need for first cause that is not finite and is beyond even everlasting. But an infinite and eternal first cause.
From a secular, naturalistic perspective it could be argued I suppose within this fictional framework that the Aliens were evolutionarily advanced from human beings and therefore as they had the natural ability, had the evolutionary right if not a moral right to kill (another argument for another post I very likely will not write but there is the comments) human beings for survival. The survival of the fittest. If the Aliens were more advanced rational beings in the survival context, this evolutionary right could be argued I suppose, whether or not they created human beings. That would not really be key. The Oxford Dictionary of Science explains that 'fitness' is how well an organism adapts to the environment it is in and this determines its survival. 323 (2010). It could be deduced that the Aliens via natural ability are more fit than human beings in a shared environment and if human beings cannot reason out a way to defend themselves then the Aliens have a evolutionary right to keep killing, even though both are seemingly highly rational beings.
This secular, naturalistic perspective could be translated to actual reality. If somehow in the future Earth came under the attack of aliens that wanted to dominate human beings, keep them for food etc. I am not stating I believe in aliens, but I am making my point. It is disturbing though...
A secularist could argue that any rational being like a human being has the basic right to live under normal circumstances, and I fully agree with this as long as rationality is defined well. I reason human beings should not abuse animals in nature, as pets or ones involved in the food industry, but I reason it acceptable to eat certain animals (I will exclude pets for cultural reasons, again another argument) as food as they do not have a level of rationality that can build a society, or worship God, for examples. A correct view would be that the Aliens in science fiction or potential aliens in actual life should not kill human beings because human beings are rational to the point of being able to build a society and worship God, as examples.
An essential addition to that argument in my view is that since human beings are made in the image of God (Genesis 1: 27), a being with a spirit made by God (Genesis 2: 7) being of that high level of rationality and value to the creator should not be killed under normal circumstances and certainly should not be used as food for fictional Aliens or potential actual aliens. Even if a human being is somehow mentally disabled with a damaged brain, still possessing the spirit from God he or she would still fall under the protection with this argument. Merely stating that a rational being that can build a society or worship God should not be killed by fictional Aliens or potential actual aliens would not necessarily protect the mentally disabled person that would not be rational at the level of an average human being or even perhaps significant measurable rationality, but they would be protected with this addition to the argument.
Oxford Dictionary of Science, (2010), Sixth Edition, Oxford, Oxford University Press.
In Prometheus is it deduced these creatures may have created human beings, although the one scientist wisely asks who made the creatures, to another scientist, seemingly understanding the need for first cause that is not finite and is beyond even everlasting. But an infinite and eternal first cause.
From a secular, naturalistic perspective it could be argued I suppose within this fictional framework that the Aliens were evolutionarily advanced from human beings and therefore as they had the natural ability, had the evolutionary right if not a moral right to kill (another argument for another post I very likely will not write but there is the comments) human beings for survival. The survival of the fittest. If the Aliens were more advanced rational beings in the survival context, this evolutionary right could be argued I suppose, whether or not they created human beings. That would not really be key. The Oxford Dictionary of Science explains that 'fitness' is how well an organism adapts to the environment it is in and this determines its survival. 323 (2010). It could be deduced that the Aliens via natural ability are more fit than human beings in a shared environment and if human beings cannot reason out a way to defend themselves then the Aliens have a evolutionary right to keep killing, even though both are seemingly highly rational beings.
This secular, naturalistic perspective could be translated to actual reality. If somehow in the future Earth came under the attack of aliens that wanted to dominate human beings, keep them for food etc. I am not stating I believe in aliens, but I am making my point. It is disturbing though...
A secularist could argue that any rational being like a human being has the basic right to live under normal circumstances, and I fully agree with this as long as rationality is defined well. I reason human beings should not abuse animals in nature, as pets or ones involved in the food industry, but I reason it acceptable to eat certain animals (I will exclude pets for cultural reasons, again another argument) as food as they do not have a level of rationality that can build a society, or worship God, for examples. A correct view would be that the Aliens in science fiction or potential aliens in actual life should not kill human beings because human beings are rational to the point of being able to build a society and worship God, as examples.
An essential addition to that argument in my view is that since human beings are made in the image of God (Genesis 1: 27), a being with a spirit made by God (Genesis 2: 7) being of that high level of rationality and value to the creator should not be killed under normal circumstances and certainly should not be used as food for fictional Aliens or potential actual aliens. Even if a human being is somehow mentally disabled with a damaged brain, still possessing the spirit from God he or she would still fall under the protection with this argument. Merely stating that a rational being that can build a society or worship God should not be killed by fictional Aliens or potential actual aliens would not necessarily protect the mentally disabled person that would not be rational at the level of an average human being or even perhaps significant measurable rationality, but they would be protected with this addition to the argument.
Oxford Dictionary of Science, (2010), Sixth Edition, Oxford, Oxford University Press.
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That aliens can kill or harvest people seems to be a critique of our own carnivorous "rights" as we human beings are "animals" at (or near) the top of the food chain.
ReplyDeleteI suppose a good question to ask would be whether or not the aliens have advanced morality or spirituality that gives them another obligation to kill and harvest hunmans.
'That aliens can kill or harvest people seems to be a critique of our own carnivorous "rights" as we human beings are "animals" at (or near) the top of the food chain.'
ReplyDeleteGood point. ‘Rational’ is as my first British PhD advisor pointed out not a precise concept to define. I am defining a high level of rationality as in the ability to form societies and the ability to worship God, another example would be the ability to form the rational family unit as human beings understand it, not as animals do.
But some may argue that a much lower standard of rationality should be required in order that an animal not be killed for food.
'I suppose a good question to ask would be whether or not the aliens have advanced morality or spirituality that gives them another obligation to kill and harvest hunmans.'
True. In a fictional evolutionary world this seems possible. In our actual Biblical world this seems highly unlikely. But some secular evolutionists would hold to a view similar to the science fiction one allowing for human beings to be expendable.
Thanks, Mr. Smed.
Much appreciated, sir.:)
ReplyDeleteHola amigo, interesante informacion la que compartes. Me intriga pensar en los extraterrestres.....Cuidate.
ReplyDelete'Hello friend, interesting information you share. I think the aliens plot ..... Take care.'
ReplyDeleteThank you, kindly. Please have a good week.
York is an absolutely stunning place.
ReplyDeleteI like your reasoning behind why Aliens cannot kill us, even though I disagree as I am an atheist and thus I don't think that we are made in god's image. Also, surely if they aliens didn't have a concept of god then they wouldn't take into account that we were made in god's image?
I didn't enjoy Prometheus!
'York is an absolutely stunning place.'
ReplyDeleteAgreed, I have been there more than once and the York Cathedral is very impressive, especially.
'I like your reasoning behind why Aliens cannot kill us,'
Cheers.
'even though I disagree as I am an atheist and thus I don't think that we are made in god's image.'
'Also, surely if they aliens didn't have a concept of god then they wouldn't take into account that we were made in god's image?'
Yes. That does somewhat explain the situation that can occur in the 'Alien' films.
There is no conclusive evidence of actual aliens of course, although from a Christian worldview I do not believe/reason human beings are not the only rational, as described in the article, entities.
'I didn't enjoy Prometheus!'
That can be understood.
Thank you once again, Sarah.
I enjoyed Prometheus for the storyline, but I agree some of the violence was rather gratuitous and some of the scenes kinda silly (the usual horror movie thing of people who somehow lose their survival instinct and or common sense). I like how it encourages people to think about questions like the origin of life.
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ReplyDeleteI enjoyed Prometheus for the storyline, but I agree some of the violence was rather gratuitous and some of the scenes kinda silly (the usual horror movie thing of people who somehow lose their survival instinct and or common sense). I like how it encourages people to think about questions like the origin of life.'
Reasonable. Thanks.
Well-done films, but I would prefer to see less horror and more science fiction.
Interesting discussion of dating in Vancouver.
ReplyDelete‘"Guys have lost the idea of what girls want on a date."’
The texting guy is showing no class.
‘And what about the men? I asked at least a dozen to respond to the charge that Vancouver males were passive and inattentive to simple courtesy. For a long time I got no response, and I could hear women all over the city saying, "I rest my case." Finally, I got Dan, a doctor in his late 30s, to answer my questions. He's lived in Calgary, Toronto, Montreal, and Victoria, and he agrees that women here often seem aloof, while men tend to wait for some "invitation" or welcoming body language.’
I think from a Christian perspective a male should abide by Biblical standards and show class. A desire and work effort in prayer to do better is important as well.
‘Yes, Katherine, meeting women in Vancouver is indeed "daunting, strenuous, semi-natural, and so not romantic."’
Magnify that by several times with the small and rather generally non-theological Christian community.
This alien enjoyed the post and discussion very much, but I would argue that the Bible treats aliens, humans and animals equally:
ReplyDelete"Six days you shall do your work, but on the seventh day you shall rest; that your ox and your donkey may have rest, and the son of your servant woman, and the alien, may be refreshed." - Exodus 23:12
Convinced.;)
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ReplyDeleteI generally like some science-fiction movies, but I usually don't watch horror movies. I did watch "Alien vs. Predator," not for the quality of the movie (which was not very good), but mainly because I like the idea of two powerful beings (almost like two super-villains) battling each other.
ReplyDeleteThere has been quite a bit of emphasis on aliens in movies. I could imagine the Rapture occurring and society blaming it on alien abduction.
Here, we have an abundant problem with illegal aliens. When America was young, people would come over from other countries, learn to speak English, work hard, and contribute to American society, and become patriotic Americans. Today, people come from other countries, often refusing to speak English, demanding their own rights, demanding that we help their home country, take advantage of our laws, disregard our laws, and live off our government, often having rights and privileges that natural-born Americans do not have.
'Your blood pressure is bound to be a little high, and yes, it is normal for it to fluctuate throughout the day.'
ReplyDeleteLol.
‘I generally like some science-fiction movies, but I usually don't watch horror movies. I did watch "Alien vs. Predator," not for the quality of the movie (which was not very good), but mainly because I like the idea of two powerful beings (almost like two super-villains) battling each other.’
ReplyDeleteLike you vs. Rick B.
’There has been quite a bit of emphasis on aliens in movies. I could imagine the Rapture occurring and society blaming it on alien abduction.’
The Rupture.
‘Here, we have an abundant problem with illegal aliens. When America was young, people would come over from other countries, learn to speak English, work hard, and contribute to American society, and become patriotic Americans. Today, people come from other countries, often refusing to speak English, demanding their own rights, demanding that we help their home country, take advantage of our laws, disregard our laws, and live off our government, often having rights and privileges that natural-born Americans do not have.’
I know, and it creates a problem of how to ethically handle it with children etc..
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