Wednesday, September 05, 2012

Ridiculous and Bizarre Baby Tossing in India


Netarhat Lake, India (trekearth)

Preface

Obviously from the article title I do not support these Hindu/Islamic religious practices and reason they are ridiculous and bizarre. Further, although I understand there are other religious traditions in the world apart from Judeo-Christian that have thousands of years of history, I would state that these particular practices are dangerous and unethical as I reason it is not worth it in any way risking the well-being of babies with such practices. In particular a head, back or spinal cord injury to one of the babies in my mind would not be worth the risk of obeying an age old religious practice. I am not involved in the medical profession but based on the fact babies are being tossed, they are seemingly rituals where something very wrong and something very immoral could potentially take place.

Mr. Jeff Jenkins of Thoughts and Theology blog posted a BBC clip of one of these events concerning Muslims on Facebook and I thought the story would serve as good religious education. I can certainly state more in the comments section if there is a suitable public response.

The Telegraph

Quotes:

'In a bizarre ritual, Hindu priests in the south Indian state of Karnataka toss babies from the rooftop of a temple onto a cloth held by waiting men, believing that this will make them grow stronger.'

'Thanks to their parents and a deep-rooted belief, babies in the Bagalkot district of south India's Karnataka state unwittingly found themselves being tossed off the roof of a temple onto a sheet held by men waiting below, in a ritual that is believed to make them stronger.'

'Though the ritual often evokes criticism, it is defended by devotees and priests, who feel that their belief necessitates a ritual that places babies at such huge risk. A trustee of the Marutheshwara temple, Basavaraj, said that the ritual was an age-old one and it was important that it be respected.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126845/Baby-tossing-ritual-Karnataka-India-Priests-hurl-children-30ft-good-luck.html

Quotes:

'Terrified toddlers scream and sob as they're shaken by men in robes and tossed from a balcony 30ft above the ground. It's not the plot of horror film - but an ages-old annual ritual carried in southern India, meant to bring participating infants good luck, health and prosperity.Hard-to-watch footage of the ceremony, held each year in the state of Karnataka, has horrified children's rights groups, who have labeled it 'barbaric' and want it banned by the Indian government.'

'The practice is believed to date back centuries and takes place across India - involving both Hindus and Muslims.'

'When the children land safely, the crowd celebrates wildly, passing each infant around before returning them to their mothers. Local campaigners managed to get the practice banned in 2011, but it returned to Digambeshwara temple in Nagrala village last week - much to the frustration of Lov Verma, from the National Commission for Protection of Child Rights.'

BBC clip on the Islamic practice. Babies are thrown fifty feet from a tower.






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Personal Reflections


September 6, 2012 (Not India)
It looks like no one has been watering the front yard of 'my estate'...


September 6, 2012 (Not India)


Ninety minute round trip, Saturday afternoon Metro Vancouver commute. Another problem of evil? I was heading home after assisting my good friend move. I decided to stop off at Canada Safeway for gasoline and groceries.


Short martial arts workout with aluminum baseball bat. One hand and two hand. Sort of satirical perhaps... But only if I don't connect with a home invader.;)


Evening computer work after walking hours in Vancouver September 9, 2012. Matt and I and some other friends parts of the journey, walked from Burrard Street to downtown Vancouver and back. Reminds me of Manchester and the four hour walks after church, from church back to my flat. I rival those walks in Vancouver somewhat.  Pardon my ignorance, but I thought at a crosswalk that the 'white man' signal meant we could walk, and the ' orange hand' meant stop, but today when we were heading across a crosswalk, I was in the lead this particular time, someone in a sports car decided to try and beat me across the crosswalk, and succeeded. My first thought was not to pray for him. No comment on comments under my breath.;)

I think the webcam works pretty well.

40 comments:

  1. Thought I had seen everything. Obviously not.
    Crazy world we live in.

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  2. Thought I had seen everything. Obviously not.
    The world has gone crazy.

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  3. I am supportive of freedom for religious practice, contrary to radical humanism and secularism, but these are religious rituals that I think should end.

    Thank you, Russell of Melbourne.

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  4. Grrr...Blogger gave an error, so I don't know if my comment went through or not. Just in case, here it is again.

    Regarding the baby ritual:

    From odditycentral.com:
    "Understandably, it takes several minutes before the baby recovers from the shock."

    And here is another Muslim who threw his baby from a high place:

    A jury has begun deliberating the fate of a father charged with throwing his 3-month-old daughter off a bridge into the Raritan River...

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  5. 'Grrr...Blogger gave an error, so I don't know if my comment went through or not. Just in case, here it is again.'

    I tried to do this post with the new Blogger interface primarily but I was in a rush to take my Mom to the MD and some shopping so I knew I did not have much of a 'prayer' so I mainly used the old interface, but it was a difficult post to put together.

    I heard about the shock on another site as well. Not a shock...

    More evil...

    NJ

    ‘NEW BRUNSWICK — A jury will begin deliberating Tuesday the fate of a father charged with throwing his 3-month-old daughter off a bridge into the Raritan River.
    The jurors were sent home this afternoon about 3:40 p.m. after Superior Court Judge Bradley Ferencz finished giving them an explanation of the charges and the law in the case of Shamsiddin Abdur-Raheem, 24, of Galloway Township.

    They will be trying to decide if Abdur-Raheem is guilty of murder in the death of Zara, Malani-Lin Abdur-Raheem on Feb. 16, 2010. They are also considering charges of attempted murder, kidnapping, aggravated assault and endangering the welfare of a child.

    Abdur-Raheem admitted Thursday that he took the baby after a tussle with her grandmother, who was watching the infant in her East Orange apartment, drove south on the Garden State Parkway and tossed the baby off the Alfred E. Driscoll Bridge, 140 feet below into the river.

    The baby's remains were found two months later on the banks of the river.

    An autopsy determined that she died from blunt force trauma that fractured her skull from the fall off the bridge and probably drowned.’

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  6. It looks a bit milder than what the Spartans did. Of course we in the west now have our high tech baby seats designed to save the child if we run over an IED on the freeway. Quite a culture gap.

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  7. Sparta History

    Quote:

    'It began in infancy. When a Spartan baby was born, soldiers came to the house and examined it carefully to determine its strength. The baby was bathed in wine rather than water, to see its reaction. If a baby was weak, the Spartans exposed it on the hillside or took it away to become a slave (helot). Infanticide was common in ancient cultures, but the Spartans were particularly picky about their children. It was not just a matter of the family, the city-state decided the fate of the child. Nurses had the primary care of the baby and did not coddle it.'

    Sparta Wiki

    Quote:

    'Birth and death

    Sparta was above all a militarist state, and emphasis on military fitness began virtually at birth. Shortly after birth, a mother would bathe her child in wine to see whether the child was strong. If the child survived it was brought before the Gerousia by the child's father. The Gerousia then decided whether it was to be reared or not. If they considered it "puny and deformed", the baby was thrown into a chasm on Mount Taygetos known euphemistically as the Apothetae (Gr., ἀποθέται, "Deposits").[67][68] This was, in effect, a primitive form of eugenics.[67] Sparta is often portrayed as being unique in this matter, however there is considerable evidence that the killing of unwanted children was practiced in other Greek regions, including Athens.[69]

    When Spartans died, marked headstones would only be granted to soldiers who died in combat during a victorious campaign or women who died either in service of a divine office or in childbirth.'

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  8. The quotes come from Plutarch's life of Lycurgus. A link is here. About 2/3 down.

    I was actually thinking of something else, but decided my brain was a bit scrambled up.

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  9. Thank you, sir.

    Quote:

    'Nor was it in the power of the father to dispose of the child as he thought fit; he was obliged to carry it before certain triers at a place called Lesche; these were some of the elders of the tribe to which the child belonged; their business it was carefully to view the infant, and, if they found it stout and well made, they gave order for its rearing, and allotted to it one of the nine thousand shares of land above mentioned for its maintenance, but, if they found it puny and ill-shaped, ordered it to be taken to what was called the Apothetae, a sort of chasm under Taygetus; as thinking it neither for the good of the child itself, nor for the public interest, that it should be brought up, if it did not, from the very outset, appear made to be healthy and vigorous. Upon the same account, the women did not bathe the new-born children with water, as is the custom in all other countries, but with wine, to prove the temper and complexion of their bodies; from a notion they had that epileptic and weakly children faint and waste away upon their being thus bathed while, on the contrary, those of a strong and vigorous habit acquire firmness and get a temper by it, like steel. There was much care and art, too, used by the nurses; they had no swaddling bands; the children grew up free and unconstrained in limb and form, and not dainty and fanciful about their food; not afraid in the dark, or of being left alone; and without peevishness, or ill-humour, or crying. Upon this account Spartan nurses were often bought up, or hired by people of other countries; and it is recorded that she who suckled Alcibiades was a Spartan; who, however, if fortunate in his nurse, was not so in his preceptor; his guardian, Pericles, as Plato tells us, chose a servant for that office called Zopyrus, no better than any common slave.'

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  10. good afternoon :)

    I like the first picture , so beautiful, and about the entry crazy ¿no? :) thank you for your comment
    have a good day :)

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  11. Thank you, Valentina.

    I agree, crazy (dangerous)!

    Please have a good evening.

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  14. Appreciation for great content. I’m certainly glad I had taken the time to learn this.

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  15. Hi Dr.!
    Life is a key, our are vital ahahha :)
    Have a nice weekend, your photos are good too.
    Sweet afternoon!

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  16. Thanks for complimenting my photos Sarah, they are better since switching from the Blackberry Curve to the Samsung Galaxy S2 as there is more picture resolution.

    Of course the professional photos are still better.

    Have a good weekend.

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  18. Crazy stuff with the baby throws, but not as crazy as the guy in India who let his baby be bit in the face by a cobra!
    - Baby Drop Blues -

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  19. Nice vid of the Kung Fu Kid
    with a weapon trick
    doin martial arts stuff
    lucky for us not in the buff!
    -Kraft Dinner Karate-

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  20. 'Anonymous said...
    Crazy stuff with the baby throws, but not as crazy as the guy in India who let his baby be bit in the face by a cobra!
    - Baby Drop Blues -'

    Hmmm, a subject for debate.

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  21. '-Kraft Dinner Karate-'

    I do not eat Kraft, I am up a 'class' and eat Knorr.

    Thank you, thank you very much.

    Kingpuff

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  22. I didn't know it hahahahaha
    How are you Dr. Russell? Have a nice days!
    I start baccalaureate (I think it says so).

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  23. Humm today i read your article other time and i need to say I m agree with you :) people sometimes can be to dangerous , and about the video of the babies oh my god!! they are crazy!!! How can people do this types of things??

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  24. you and me chit this discouraged

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  25. Hello Valentina,

    I hope your week is going well.

    I admit I am arriving at this from a Christian worldview but I reason the baby tossing is a negative aspect of Hindu and Islamic religious traditions that apparently from the one BBC report in the Islamic context goes back 500 years. I reason it is an unnecessary and dangerous way to test or strengthen a baby.

    To be honest, and this is just speculation in an ancient context one could wonder if such a practice could have been used to weed out weak infants from societies, in other words babies that could not likely do hard labour as future adults.

    Blessings this week.

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