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Douglas Walton explains that argumentation ad hominem is an argument against the man. It is a personal attack against an arguer to refute the argument. In the abusive form the character of the arguer is attacked. These arguments are often used to attack an opponent unfairly. Walton (1996: 374).
Simon Blackburn explains that ad hominem is attempting to disprove what a person is stating by attacking the person, or less commonly by praising the person. Commonly it is a way of arguing forcefully or not, against a view without advancing the counter argument. Blackburn (1996: 24). This latter concept would be that of arguing against a held perspective without making any reasonable counter-arguments.
BLACKBURN, SIMON (1996) Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy Oxford, Oxford University Press.
WALTON, DOUGLAS (1996) ‘Informal Fallacy’, in Robert Audi, (ed), The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy, Cambridge, Cambridge University Press.
February 9, 2017
Update
Nine years later there have been several template changes. The switch to Dynamic template quite significant with format. I revised this entry. The comments on this Chrome version are corrupted. Therefore, I provide an example of ad hominem to be at least somewhat true to the entry title.
Pope Chucklins: I do not want to go to that Christian event tonight, because I was working online all day.
Satire Und Theology: Chuck!!! Get off your software and quit being a boop, boop, dork and get over here and be my chauffeur, because your vehicle is newer and I do not like driving in downtown Vancouver.
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A humourous and insensitive example, but my objection does not deal with Saint Chucklins' actual fatigue. Rather when he does arrive and begins to shut down at around 11 pm, I just make sure he drinks at least one beer mug sized coffee. The physical results of that are his problem...
Well, well, well.
ReplyDeleteLook whose blog is now seven links behind mine according to our agreed calculations, and is nine links behind according to the not very accurate Technorati rankings. Well, moron, I guess it goes to show that a serious philosophical theology blog will outdo a satirical theology blog. Let us face it, you would not have as many links as you do if not for people checking this blog out in combination with mine as a second fiddle blog.
I suppose you are too fearful, or perhaps too unintelligent to write fully intellectual articles and therefore must use humour to get your way through. Perhaps you are too lazy to do the extra research needed to write a real theology blog.
Thanks for sharing...
Thanks for sharing, Kingpin (Blubber Lang from Rocky III).
ReplyDeleteYou are so stuffy with your ivory tour theology, and that is why I have recently, according to Statcounter, passed you once again in daily traffic. Do you know what this means? You probably are too busy with your head stuck in a book to figure this out, but it means eventually with more traffic I will have more links, and comments than you have.
Don't cry now.
Alright you two. Don't make me come up there.
ReplyDeleteBut Jim, he started it!
ReplyDeleteYeah. I had one of those ad hominem incidents this evening.
ReplyDeleteA blogger who happens to be a pastor said,
"Interesting that you often say "you will know a tree by its fruit" jeleasure in defense of your judgment that people who vote for Obama are not Christians..
[I NEVER SAID 'PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR OBAMA ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. OBAMA IS BOUND TO GET A FEW ACCIDENTALS FROM TRUE BELIEVERS]
perhaps you should remove the speck in your own eye before removing the log in mine..(AD HOMINEM)
[HE THINKS COMPROMISE IS ACCEPTABLE ON ISSUES THE BIBLE CLEARLY CONDEMNS]
and perhaps you might consider the following fruit of the spirit when you enter into judgment
[THIS IS A PASTOR WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE EXHORTED TO 'ESTIMATE' A PERSON'S CHARACTER. BECAUSE I DO, HE FEELS I AM IN VIOLATION OF CONDEMNING HIM]
and say that people who vote a certain way are not Christians.
[NOW THIS I CAN GO FOR. VOTING DOWN WHEN YOU SHOULD BE VOTING UP WOULD PROBABLY MEAN YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN]
Yes, that is true. I did notice the king pin always has to be the agressive one. That is how I met him. He was consider debt collection on behalf of China.
ReplyDeleteperhaps you should remove the speck in your own eye before removing the log in mine..(AD HOMINEM)
ReplyDeleteThis guy doesn't even know how to use ad hominem properly! His biblical metaphor is backwards!
Chucky,
ReplyDeleteSatiristically speaking, (is there such a thing?) he may have been aware that he would be featured on an ad hominem item and really wanted someone to call attention to his knowledge of scripture.
perhaps you should remove the speck in your own eye before removing the log in mine..(AD HOMINEM)
ReplyDeleteWe all make mistakes, but this man needs to take his time when commenting.
Wow, that "troll" is something else!
ReplyDeleteOn his blog site, he lists his occupation as 'warrior.' Apparently, what he is 'fighting' against, as a 'warrior,' is religion. Specifically, it seems, Christianity. At the heart of the matter, he is fighting against God. My guess is that he has had one or more bad experiences in his past, which he likely blames Christians and/or God for.
The name of his blog site is "The Myth of Religion," and, judging by the titles of his recent posts, he has a vicious hatred for anyone and anything having to do with Christianity.
At least that troll went back under the bridge from whence he came.
I would have been willing to dialogue with him, but his use of ad hominem and his unwillingness to answer my reply made this unworkable.
ReplyDeleteRuss:)
Well, well, well.
ReplyDeleteLook whose blog is now seven links behind mine according to our agreed calculations, and is nine links behind according to the not very accurate Technorati rankings. Well, moron, I guess it goes to show that a serious philosophical theology blog will outdo a satirical theology blog. Let us face it, you would not have as many links as you do if not for people checking this blog out in combination with mine as a second fiddle blog.
I suppose you are too fearful, or perhaps too unintelligent to write fully intellectual articles and therefore must use humour to get your way through. Perhaps you are too lazy to do the extra research needed to write a real theology blog.
FDBOFLOLWSAJHFLSH!
(Falling Down Backwards On Floor, Laughing Out Loud With Stomach And Jaws Hurting From Laughing So Hard)
Thanks for sharing, Kingpin (Blubber Lang from Rocky III).
You are so stuffy with your ivory tour theology, and that is why I have recently, according to Statcounter, passed you once again in daily traffic. Do you know what this means? You probably are too busy with your head stuck in a book to figure this out, but it means eventually with more traffic I will have more links, and comments than you have.
LOL!
(wondering aloud: Hmmm, how is it that the theological one made me laugh harder than the satirical one? Very strange...)
But Jim, he started it!
LOL!
(OK, that's better: another point for the satirical one!)
And even Jim (jeleasure) made me laugh when he said:
[I NEVER SAID 'PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR OBAMA ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. OBAMA IS BOUND TO GET A FEW ACCIDENTALS FROM TRUE BELIEVERS]
LOL! "A few accidentals?? Wow! That's harsh!
Russ and Jeff,
ReplyDeleteHis use of ad hominem and his unwillingness to reply to your questions is a clear sign that he just does not know what else to say. So, attack and throw the subject off.
Jim
I would have been willing to dialogue with him, but his use of ad hominem and his unwillingness to answer my reply made this unworkable.
ReplyDeleteYour article on 'ad hominem' is very appropriate. Especially on 'Evolution vs. Creation' sites, very often, my identity as a Christian has been attacked, rather than any Scientific evidence being presented to counter what I said.
And, when I went on a Gay Discussion board, and presented a biblical stance, it was even worse. If what they accused me of were true, I would be the most hateful, bigoted, prejudiced, narrow-minded individual on this planet. They were making me sound worse than the KKK or any Nazi skinhead you have ever seen!
They would have you to believe that they, as practicing gays and lesbians, were perfect saints, and I was the immoral one.
From: The God-Haters Handbook
ReplyDelete(or, A Beginner's Guide to Being an Atheist: How you, too, can successfully attack Christians and their God that you refuse to believe in, while leaving all the other religions alone)
ad hominem:
When you cannot best them on an intellectual level, start calling them names. This works against Christians, as well as against other politicians who are running against you. When all else fails, attack their character. You can even use this against God Himself. When Christians start telling you that you are a wicked sinner, just retort that God is unfair, unjust, and is a bloodthirsty, egotistical, sadistic Being that you would never, ever want to worship. If they come back with Scripture verses to try to prove you wrong, then just tell them that you don't believe the Bible. If they start trying to give you 'evidence' that the Bible is true, tell them that God is just a myth. Then, if they continue, start with the character assassination again. This works best if you can recruit other Atheists to join with you in your relentless attack. If you run into any real problems, don't hesitate to call us at 1-800-I-Love-The-ACLU.
That is true, Jim.
ReplyDeleteAs bloggers we need to move on and have discussions with the open-minded.
Russ:)
Thanks, Jeff.
ReplyDeleteSatire and theology and thekingpin68 have also tangled on your blog, of course. They may tangle again here and on thekingpin68.:)
Yes, some folks do not want to have a honest intellectual discussion where they may have to consider changing their mind on certain issues.
ReplyDeleteRuss:)
Thanks, Jeff and Jim.
LoL, Jeff,
ReplyDeleteWhat on Earth were you doing on a gay discussion board?
Actually, I understand your evangelistic nature. We have to have people who can go into places like that and come out being able to keep what they have.
Jim
Yes, Jeff,
ReplyDeleteWe all try and do our part on the satirist theologian blog.
Keep hope alve. The King Pin in his boasting must be humbled.
Jim and Jeff,
ReplyDeleteI have visited some gay political and theology sites and I remember one site stated something along the lines that it was not enough to have gay equal rights, but it was only enough when 'bigoted religion' was removed from the planet.
I have absolutely NO INTEREST in any other type of gay site.
We should not assume that providing 'gay equality' will protect our rights with freedom of worship and religion.
Russ:>
Oh, my!@
ReplyDeleteI just read my comment to Jeff about going into the funhouse and not coming out corrupt.
The comment looks very bad compared to what I actually intended.
Yea, I could write thekingpin68's blog...no problem!
ReplyDeleteRuss,
ReplyDeleteI feel that Gay equality, for the 4% of those 'progressives' who are gay, will silence the church and every parishoner will be required to have a black highlighter.
Jim,
ReplyDeleteWhat on Earth were you doing on a gay discussion board?
Actually, I understand your evangelistic nature. We have to have people who can go into places like that and come out being able to keep what they have.
Jim
You understand correctly. I thought I could be a witness there. Apparently, I was wrong. They loved their sin way, WAY too much, and they were light years away from being willing to listen to a message of how they needed to repent and turn to Jesus for forgiveness. I was even trying to do it in love, but they see any suggestion implying that what they are doing is immoral, as a personal attack. Or, at least, they make it sound that way. The truth is, they are just unwilling to turn from their sin, come Hell or high water (hmmm...I wonder if "high water" in that phrase originally referred to the Great Flood?).
Jim,
ReplyDeleteThe King Pin in his boasting must be humbled.
LOL! Hilarious!
Thanks, Jim.
ReplyDeleteI would rather be in a house church than be under the authority of apostates.
We are aware of this Mr. Murray,
ReplyDeleteHowever, we must focus on the higher investment, which says, "The last will be first and the first will be last". This is where I am putting my money. Humility will win in the end.
So, what we need to do is put you and the King Pin in a competition for last place.
The King Pin in his boasting must be humbled.
ReplyDeleteThat is up to God.
Having this blog is humbling enough for Mr. S&T.:)
Russ,
ReplyDeleteI have visited some gay political and theology sites and I remember one site stated something along the lines that it was not enough to have gay equal rights, but it was only enough when 'bigoted religion' was removed from the planet.
Wow.
I have absolutely NO INTEREST in any other type of gay site.
Um...ahem!...You have absolutely not interest in any other type of gay site? So, are you saying that the only type of gay site you're interested in visiting is one which says that bigoted religion must be removed from the planet? I knew you were looking at dating sites, but comeON! That's a bit extreme, don't you think? I mean, you CAN'T be getting THAT desperate now, CAN you??
LOL!! Sorry, I just couldn't resist that one. See? I'm learning to use "ad hominem" now, thanks to your article! LOL!
We should not assume that providing 'gay equality' will protect our rights with freedom of worship and religion.
Very good point.
Oh, Mr. S&T has won that competition, Jim.:)
ReplyDeleteHey Jeff and Russ,
ReplyDeleteI don't know if you guys are willing to excercise or not. However, I was considering taking a trip to that site Jeff was talking about and throwing around some conviction notices.
Jim,
ReplyDeleteI just read my comment to Jeff about going into the funhouse and not coming out corrupt.
Well, when I was on that site, I did feel my wrist starting to get a bit limp, and, oddly enough, I suddenly started speaking with a high-pitched lisp. But, after I left the site, those symptoms immediately disappeared.
LOL!
Russ,
ReplyDeleteYea, I could write thekingpin68's blog...no problem!
I would almost be willing to bet that you may have even done so at some point, albeit secretly. I wouldn't put it past you...
Um...ahem!...You have absolutely not interest in any other type of gay site? So, are you saying that the only type of gay site you're interested in visiting is one which says that bigoted religion must be removed from the planet?
ReplyDeleteCanada sadly has same-sex marriage, but I will only date (or marry) a woman!
I have never been on gay discussion boards.;)
Russ:)
Jim,
ReplyDeleteRuss,
I feel that Gay equality, for the 4% of those 'progressives' who are gay, will silence the church and every parishoner will be required to have a black highlighter.
Although I like the way you put that so creatively (4% is right! And the 'black highlighter' is a good, creative word picture), they won't need a black highlighter, because if anything 'illegal' is said by the Pastor, he will just be thrown into jail.
Jim,
ReplyDeleteSo, what we need to do is put you and the King Pin in a competition for last place.
LOL!
...they won't need a black highlighter, because if anything 'illegal' is said by the Pastor, he will just be thrown into jail.
ReplyDeleteSadly, this could realistically happen.
Russ,
ReplyDeleteHaving this blog is humbling enough for Mr. S&T.:)
LOL! This is just too much!
Russ,
ReplyDeleteOh, Mr. S&T has won that competition, Jim.:)
LOL!
Dear thekingpin68,
ReplyDeleteI will take the greater number of comments I receive than you, and run.
Happy dreams...there. Try to find another cartoon to close the 'gaaaap'.
Jim,
ReplyDeleteHey Jeff and Russ,
I don't know if you guys are willing to excercise or not. However, I was considering taking a trip to that site Jeff was talking about and throwing around some conviction notices.
That gay site? I dunno...if that lisp starts coming back...
Seriously, though, I think it fruitless to go to a gay site or an Atheist site and try to witness to them. People who are on such sites are probably not going to be receptive at all. Past experience has shown this to me. When several of us drove to a Jehovah's Witness convention in a nearby city to pass out gospel tracts, our Pastor and a few others were thrown out.
Of course, if you want the 3 of us to visit the site while carrying verbal baseball bats, and start verbally bashing some gays just for the fun of it....nah, never mind. Bad idea.
Jeff stated:
ReplyDeleteSeriously, though, I think it fruitless to go to a gay site...
Fruitless?
Russ;)
Russ,
ReplyDeleteI have visited some gay political and theology sites and I remember one site stated something along the lines that it was not enough to have gay equal rights, but it was only enough when 'bigoted religion' was removed from the planet.
I have never been on gay discussion boards.;)
Wait..um, what was that again?
I have never been on gay discussion boards.;)
Hmmm...that's what I thought you said. Um, let's play that first tape back again...
I have visited some gay political and theology sites
Um...and you never inhaled either, did you, Mr. Clinton?
LOL!
I have been clear and not...unclear.
ReplyDeleteI need to take Mom, shopping.
Thanks friends.
Russ;)
Russ,
ReplyDeleteDear thekingpin68,
I will take the greater number of comments I receive than you, and run.
LOL!
Russ,
ReplyDeleteJeff stated:
Seriously, though, I think it fruitless to go to a gay site...
Fruitless?
Russ;)
AhHAHAHAHA!! LOL! Oh, man...
Thank you for the well wishes. Judging by your subject matter and about me I think you've found importance.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the well wishes : )Judging by your subject matter and about me you seem to have found importance.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Kait.
ReplyDeleteIt is good to network with others.
Russ:)
OK, I think I have been getting a bit too carried away. In my silliness and attempts at humor and fun, I may have gone too far with my comments. I blame it on my immaturity and worldly influence.
ReplyDeleteWhen I said:
Um...ahem!...You have absolutely not interest in any other type of gay site? So, are you saying that the only type of gay site you're interested in visiting is one which says that bigoted religion must be removed from the planet? I knew you were looking at dating sites, but comeON! That's a bit extreme, don't you think? I mean, you CAN'T be getting THAT desperate now, CAN you??
And also:
Russ,
I have visited some gay political and theology sites and I remember one site stated something along the lines that it was not enough to have gay equal rights, but it was only enough when 'bigoted religion' was removed from the planet.
I have never been on gay discussion boards.;)
Wait..um, what was that again?
I have never been on gay discussion boards.;)
Hmmm...that's what I thought you said. Um, let's play that first tape back again...
I have visited some gay political and theology sites
Um...and you never inhaled either, did you, Mr. Clinton?
Russ, your masculinity most definitely remains unchallenged. So please don't kill me.
So please don't kill me.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Jeff.
I will not have to use my Green Lantern to striketh thee in Florida.;) Chucky gave me a Green Lantern action figure at my birthday party. I could have sent Green Lantern on a mission.
I figure the 'pet' spiders you live with are enough punishment.
Russ:)
Hey I think I know how the two of you Russ' can resolve your competition for readers. Ready?
ReplyDeleteCount the number of profile visits.
Jim
Thekingpin68 began in 2004 and satire and theology in 2006. Thekingpin68 has more profile visits.
ReplyDeleteSatire and theology has a slight lead in overall traffic, and receives more comments. Thekingpin68 at this point has seven more reciprocal links.
Thanks, Jim.
Russ:)
Yes, I thought you used the same profile for both.
ReplyDeleteJim
I wanted two separate accounts so I could sign in to new blogs with the blog I chose. When I visit a new blog and leave a message I have to decide which blog I will market with the sign in name.
ReplyDeleteRuss:)
Russ,
ReplyDeleteChucky gave me a Green Lantern action figure at my birthday party.
Cool!
I just got through watching an episode of "Smallville."
I can't wait till "Heroes" returns.
I watched 1/3 of "The Dark Knight" on the Internet last night (its broken up into 3 parts). Only problem is, the viewable area is 2" by 1". I'll have to buy the DVD when it comes out. My boss at work is not a superhero fan, but he took his kids to see it. He was criticizing the movie left and right, but he said maybe his negative opinion of the movie was due to the fact that the a/c was off in the theater, and he was sweating during the movie. He couldn't understand why all the reviews have been positive. He did say that Ledger's performance was outstanding.
You know, in my previous comments, I've been acting like homosexuality is a big joke. In fact, it is an abomination to God. Mark Cahill, in his book "One Thing You Can't Do In Heaven," says that just about any homosexual is very familiar with death, because most of them have lost many of their friends to AIDs. Heath Ledger died a supposedly accidental death caused by prescription drug overdose. Just a couple years ago (during 2005 and 2006), he won an MTV movie award for "best kiss" in the abominable movie 'Brokeback Mountain' (I just now found out because I just now read about him on Wikipedia). I wonder if his death is God's judgment, because of his award-winning part in that movie (he also won 3 other awards for that movie, for a total of 4, and was nominated for a 5th award). Of course, that's pure speculation.
Bruce Lee, an atheist, died while making the movie "Game of Death." His son Brandon died while making "The Crow."
In addition, what is seen as an unusually large number of deaths (4) occurred with the former cast of the "Poltergeist" trilogy, including the cute little girl who was in it.
"Poltergeist" centers around spirits, and all those movies had to do with death. It just strikes me as odd.
I figure the 'pet' spiders you live with are enough punishment.
Yep. Sunday night I put my hand on the door handle of the side door of the garage, and a full-grown brown widow had a web there, and was about an inch from my hand. If she had bitten me, I would have had to call an ambulance or 911. Their poison attacks the nervous system. One lady who recently got bit by one had her back lock up. A guy who recently got bit by a black widow had to have 3 blood transfusions, I'm told.
Jeff, if I owned your place those spiders would be 'toasted' by an exterminator, especially if I had children.
ReplyDeleteAs far as God's judgement is concerned, I have never been one to fool around with the occult in any way. I do have some Marvel books with occult themes, but that is fiction, and I personally do not participate in the occult. If I was an actor I not would take an occult based role too personally.
Thanks, Jeff.
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