Fiji
This is an audio post version of some text last provided on my thekingpin68 blog in October 2008.
I will add some further comments within the audio.
Thanks. The short mps3 audio post is below and I provide some of the related text.
fi.mp3
Definitions
Blackburn writes that fideism takes a pessimistic view concerning the role of reason for achieving divine knowledge. The emphasis is instead on the merits of acts of faith. Blackburn (1996: 139).
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
Stanford
'The term itself derives from fides, the Latin word for faith, and can be rendered literally as faith-ism.'
'Fideism” is the name given to that school of thought—to which Tertullian himself is frequently said to have subscribed—which answers that faith is in some sense independent of—if not outright adversarial toward—reason. In contrast to the more rationalistic tradition of natural theology, with its arguments for the existence of God, fideism holds that reason is unnecessary and inappropriate for the exercise and justification of religious belief.'
According to R.K. Johnston, fideism is a term used by Protestant modernists in Paris in the late 19th century. It is often used as a pejorative term to attack various strands of Christianity as forms of irrationalism. Johnston (1999: 415).
Johnston explains that the concept of fideism has little value as most theologians would not deny the use of reason. The term fideism is useful when it describes an excessive emphasis upon the subjective aspects of Christianity. Johnston (1999: 415).
My propositions/premises:
Fideism can be religious and non-religious
It appears to me that many persons with both religious and non-religious worldviews at times concerning certain subjects are fideists. They operate with an over reliance on faith, as they rely heavily on the understanding of their own worldview and perspective at the expense of other views and evidence which may challenge their own ideas.
Fideism in an unorthodox fashion could be defined as faith over reason in the rejection of religious truth.
The my team is best (comfort as truth) approach is problematic
To use figurative language, just because someone is born onto the green team, or has had an intellectual and/or emotional experience with the green team and joined it, does not make the green team the team with the most truth in comparison to the blue, red, yellow, black, or white teams, etc.
Whether or not the green team is essentially correct in worldview is dependent on reason and evidence, and faith can be involved.
Faith has its place
I am not against faith. Christianity is dependent on reasonable faith, as God revealed himself historically through scribes, prophets, apostles and Christ himself. This took place over 1500 years and through various persons and in various regions. It was documented in Scripture and individual books were copied many times. There was also oral tradition. Christianity also relies on philosophy, as in, for example, the concept of first cause, and archaeology to verify that places described in the Bible actually existed as described.
There is not complete objectivity
I do not claim complete objectivity. In many ways we are made up of what we read, hear, and experience. But, in a sense all things are intellectually up for grabs, and up for intellectual challenge. We hold the primary doctrines of Christianity as essential and they can be defended well with Bible, theology and philosophy and at times other disciplines. We trust that God has revealed himself and is guiding his own through the Holy Spirit.
Lack of significant objectivity is intellectually deadly
In a fideistic approach human beings that insist something must be true will likely find an intellectual way for it to be true, no matter what the evidence. One should make as certain as possible that evidence is guiding one to conclusions concerning truth. Being guided by God in the process of finding truth is of course of primary importance.
Conclusion
I would therefore conclude that proper reasonable religious philosophy needs a heavy dose of rational thought that works with faith. In other words, it presents itself reasonably in order that more faith is warranted.
An example would be the documented Biblical, historical resurrection of Christ that is clearly presented in Scripture. It lends itself (1 Corinthians 15) to the theological concept that believers shall likewise one day too be resurrected within a reasonable faith.
BLACKBURN, SIMON (1996) Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy, Oxford, Oxford University Press.
JOHNSTON, R.K.(1996) ‘Fideism’, in Walter A. Elwell (ed.) Evangelical Dictionary of Theology, Grand Rapids, Baker Books.
I will add some further comments within the audio.
Thanks. The short mps3 audio post is below and I provide some of the related text.
fi.mp3
Definitions
Blackburn writes that fideism takes a pessimistic view concerning the role of reason for achieving divine knowledge. The emphasis is instead on the merits of acts of faith. Blackburn (1996: 139).
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
Stanford
'The term itself derives from fides, the Latin word for faith, and can be rendered literally as faith-ism.'
'Fideism” is the name given to that school of thought—to which Tertullian himself is frequently said to have subscribed—which answers that faith is in some sense independent of—if not outright adversarial toward—reason. In contrast to the more rationalistic tradition of natural theology, with its arguments for the existence of God, fideism holds that reason is unnecessary and inappropriate for the exercise and justification of religious belief.'
According to R.K. Johnston, fideism is a term used by Protestant modernists in Paris in the late 19th century. It is often used as a pejorative term to attack various strands of Christianity as forms of irrationalism. Johnston (1999: 415).
Johnston explains that the concept of fideism has little value as most theologians would not deny the use of reason. The term fideism is useful when it describes an excessive emphasis upon the subjective aspects of Christianity. Johnston (1999: 415).
My propositions/premises:
Fideism can be religious and non-religious
It appears to me that many persons with both religious and non-religious worldviews at times concerning certain subjects are fideists. They operate with an over reliance on faith, as they rely heavily on the understanding of their own worldview and perspective at the expense of other views and evidence which may challenge their own ideas.
Fideism in an unorthodox fashion could be defined as faith over reason in the rejection of religious truth.
The my team is best (comfort as truth) approach is problematic
To use figurative language, just because someone is born onto the green team, or has had an intellectual and/or emotional experience with the green team and joined it, does not make the green team the team with the most truth in comparison to the blue, red, yellow, black, or white teams, etc.
Whether or not the green team is essentially correct in worldview is dependent on reason and evidence, and faith can be involved.
Faith has its place
I am not against faith. Christianity is dependent on reasonable faith, as God revealed himself historically through scribes, prophets, apostles and Christ himself. This took place over 1500 years and through various persons and in various regions. It was documented in Scripture and individual books were copied many times. There was also oral tradition. Christianity also relies on philosophy, as in, for example, the concept of first cause, and archaeology to verify that places described in the Bible actually existed as described.
There is not complete objectivity
I do not claim complete objectivity. In many ways we are made up of what we read, hear, and experience. But, in a sense all things are intellectually up for grabs, and up for intellectual challenge. We hold the primary doctrines of Christianity as essential and they can be defended well with Bible, theology and philosophy and at times other disciplines. We trust that God has revealed himself and is guiding his own through the Holy Spirit.
Lack of significant objectivity is intellectually deadly
In a fideistic approach human beings that insist something must be true will likely find an intellectual way for it to be true, no matter what the evidence. One should make as certain as possible that evidence is guiding one to conclusions concerning truth. Being guided by God in the process of finding truth is of course of primary importance.
Conclusion
I would therefore conclude that proper reasonable religious philosophy needs a heavy dose of rational thought that works with faith. In other words, it presents itself reasonably in order that more faith is warranted.
An example would be the documented Biblical, historical resurrection of Christ that is clearly presented in Scripture. It lends itself (1 Corinthians 15) to the theological concept that believers shall likewise one day too be resurrected within a reasonable faith.
BLACKBURN, SIMON (1996) Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy, Oxford, Oxford University Press.
JOHNSTON, R.K.(1996) ‘Fideism’, in Walter A. Elwell (ed.) Evangelical Dictionary of Theology, Grand Rapids, Baker Books.
Classic video revisited with more explanation
I saw this on the Tonight Show. Staged.
Hoax
Beautiful photos. When I was in Elementary school, I did a report on Fiji, and at the time, I thought it would be an incredible and beautiful place to live. Years later, I seriously considered living in Hawaii, until I found out how expensive it would be.
ReplyDeleteI have seen that video before, but it is still funny. Revenge of the 71-year-old!
Fiji and Hawaii are two places I would like to visit.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion that senior should not have a driver's license.
Thanks, Sir Jeff.
Christianity is dependent on reasonable faith, as God revealed himself historically through scribes, prophets, apostles and Christ himself. This took place over 1500 years and through various persons and in various regions. It was documented in Scripture and individual books were copied many times. There was also oral tradition. Christianity also relies on philosophy, as in, for example, the concept of first cause, and archaeology to verify that places described in the Bible actually existed as described.
ReplyDeleteFrom a book I am currently reading, which compares the Qur'an to the Bible, I got most of the following info:
Many ancient books, such as Homer’s “Iliad;” Suetonius’ “De Vita Caesarum,” and Caesar’s “Gallic Wars,” which are accepted by scholars as far as their historical accuracy and authenticity, only exist in copies made long after the date of writing. The time gap between Homer (900 BCE) and the oldest copy of his “Iliad” is some 500 years; between Suetonius (75-160) and his work “De Vita Caesarum” is about 800 years. Yet, there are about 5,300 Greek manuscripts still in existence, which contain all or part of the New Testament, along with 10,000 Latin texts and 9,300 other early versions available, totaling more than 24,000 manuscript copies of portions of the New Testament. Note two important early manuscripts: the Codex Alexandrinus was written in the 5th century, and the Codex Bezae was written in the 5th or 6th century. Another manuscript, the Codex Vaticanus, was produced in the 4th century. And a considerable number of papyrus fragments exist that were written even 100-200 years earlier than that. Some of the existing translations of the New Testament were written as early as 150 CE. In summary, there is far more documentary evidence for the reliability of the New Testament than there is for any other classical literary work.
There is even evidence outside the Bible itself. For example, lectionaries are books that contain selections of passages from the Bible, intended for reading during worship. So far, 2,280 of these manuscripts have been catalogued, among which are 2,135 lectionaries that contain passages from the New Testament, gospel portions together with parts of Acts and the epistles. Many are from the 10th to 13th centuries, though a few are earlier, leading some scholars to believe that the lectionary system originated around the 4th century. These reinforce evidence for the text existing at these early dates in the same form as later texts.
In addition, a great many copies of the Apostolic Fathers, from the 2nd and 3rd centuries CE, have been preserved, many which are filled with quotations of the Scriptures, the number exceeding 86,000. This shows they possessed copies of the Scriptures even older than some of the manuscripts available today.
In the light of circumstantial evidence, a conservative estimate suggests that most of the New Testament was written before 70 CE. Scholars conclude that Jesus was born 7–2 BC/BCE and died 26–36 AD/CE. So, if Jesus died, say, 30 CE (which is the general estimate), then that would mean that most of the New Testament was written within 40 years of Jesus’ crucifixion.
'There is even evidence outside the Bible itself. For example, lectionaries are books that contain selections of passages from the Bible, intended for reading during worship. So far, 2,280 of these manuscripts have been catalogued, among which are 2,135 lectionaries that contain passages from the New Testament, gospel portions together with parts of Acts and the epistles. Many are from the 10th to 13th centuries, though a few are earlier, leading some scholars to believe that the lectionary system originated around the 4th century. These reinforce evidence for the text existing at these early dates in the same form as later texts.'
ReplyDeleteVery good information.
Cheers.
Re: old driver
ReplyDeleteI wonder if some people just become more reckless when they get old?
Makes me think of the (mis)adventures of "RRR". ;-)
'Re: old driver I wonder if some people just become more reckless when they get old?'
ReplyDeleteMe as well.
'Makes me think of the (mis)adventures of "RRR". ;-)'
I wonder if he is still alive.
I remember when the police came to our house looking for him. He claimed that he could not remember any hit and run and yet stated emphatically that he knew he did not hit 'Person X'. RRR stated that 'Person X' must have hit his car and that was why RRR's car was damaged. But RRR just drove away...
I think RRR had some mental issues, perhaps the driver in the video did as well.
Thanks, Cardinal Chucklins I.
Audio post is interesting. Nice touch about saving your conclusion till the end. Very academic, with quotes and sources too.
ReplyDelete-Lester Listener-
What a crazy old driver, I mean really!! This guy needs to lose his license and go to anger management
ReplyDeleteclasses! I don't think this car crash was accidental!
-Walter T. Franklin-
Lester,
ReplyDeleteThank you. I am working on making my audio presentations properly accurate and interesting.
The academic lectures do tend to be more on the structured side.
'What a crazy old driver, I mean really!! This guy needs to lose his license and go to anger management
ReplyDeleteclasses! I don't think this car crash was accidental!
-Walter T. Franklin-'
As noted, he should not have a license.
Cheers.
just came here following someone else... so thanx for enlightening me about Fideism... was just wondering why faith and reason must always be thought of as binaries. Isn't faith a product of a certain amount of seeking and first-hand experience (empiricism) that is nurtured through instruction and regular communion with a group of believers? And these are also the exact things that produce (scientific) reason esp going by the earliest definition of 'science'... In fact reason to me is as much a subjective device as is faith.
ReplyDeleteThanx
'just came here following someone else... so thanx for enlightening me about Fideism...
ReplyDeleteWelcome.
'was just wondering why faith and reason must always be thought of as binaries. Isn't faith a product of a certain amount of seeking and first-hand experience (empiricism) that is nurtured through instruction and regular communion with a group of believers?'
Yes.
Reason does not occur in a box, but it is tied into human experience.
'And these are also the exact things that produce (scientific) reason esp going by the earliest definition of 'science'... In fact reason to me is as much a subjective device as is faith. Thanx'
Biblical faith is reasonable faith. But some worldviews over depend on faith that lacks significant reason. There is an over reliance on the subjective.
Thanks.:)
Just replying to Chucky, although this driver was old, I have a feeling that this was no accidental crash!
ReplyDelete-Inspecter Crash-
Inspector Crash it?
ReplyDeleteJoven, thanks, your blog has some nice art.
ReplyDeleteI would say that there is no such thing as having too much faith in God. However, "religion" is a very broad topic, and covers far more than just God (i.e., it also includes false gods, etc.), so therefore, there is such a thing as misplaced faith. If you have faith in that which is true (i.e., God), then you cannot have too much faith. But if you have faith in something that is false, or in a false idea or assumption (even within the realm of Christianity; for example, the 'Health and Wealth' gospel), then in that case, you may have too much reliance on faith, because your faith is misplaced.
ReplyDeleteGenerally, the problem with people and their faith in God is not a problem with too much faith, but too little faith.
Jesus said that, even if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can tell a mountain to get up and walk and throw itself into the sea, and it will do so.
I have never met anyone who has too much faith in God, and I do not believe it is even possible to have too much faith in God.
'I would say that there is no such thing as having too much faith in God.'
ReplyDeleteAn abundance of proper reasonable Biblical faith in God is very good.
But:
Some have an abundance of misplaced faith in the true God but in error.
Some have an abundance of misplaced faith in a false God.
Some have an abundance of misplaced faith in false gods.
These are fideists. Faith is used at the expense of reason.
Cheers, Jeff.
Some have an abundance of misplaced faith in the true God but in error.
ReplyDeleteSome have an abundance of misplaced faith in a false God.
Some have an abundance of misplaced faith in false gods.
These are fideists. Faith is used at the expense of reason.
I would agree.
If I remember correctly, I have heard stories of people who believed in the Health & Wealth gospel and refused to go to the doctor or the hospital, and as a result, died. I would think that might be an example.
And unless the following is merely a lie, scam or hoax, I would guess that this might possibly be considered an example:
Charismatic leader Roberts Liardon said he took an extensive tour of heaven as an 8-year-old, supposedly with Jesus as his personal tour guide.
“We walked a little farther---and this is the most important part of my story. I saw three storage houses 500 to 600 yards from the Throne Room of God. They’re very long and very wide…We walked into the first. As Jesus shut the front door behind us, I looked around the interior in shock!
On one side of the building were arms, fingers, and other exterior parts of the body. Legs hung from the wall, but the scene looked natural, not weird. On the other side of the building were shelves filled with neat little packages of eyes: green ones, brown ones, blue ones, etc.
This building contained all the parts of the human body that people on earth need, but they haven’t realized these blessings are waiting for them in heaven…And they’re for saints and sinners alike.
Jesus said to me, ”These are the unclaimed blessings. This building should not be full. It should be emptied every single day. You should come in here with faith and get the needed parts for you and the people you’ll come in contact with that day.”
-Roberts Liardon, “I Saw Heaven,” (Tulsa: Harrison House, 1983), 6, 19, emphasis in original.
“The third time I saw Jesus was when I was about 11 years old. Jesus walked in through the front door of my home while I was watching “Laverne & Shirley” on television. He came over and sat down beside me on the couch, kind of glanced at the TV, and everything in this natural world clicked off. I couldn’t hear the telephone or television set---all I heard was Jesus and all I saw was His glory.
He looked at me and said, “Roberts, I want you to study the lives of my generals in my great army throughout time. Know them like the back of your hand. Know why they were a success. Know why they failed. And you’ll want nothing in that area.”
He got up, walked back out through the door, the TV clicked back on, and I resumed watching “Laverne & Shirley.”
-Ibid, 26.
'If I remember correctly, I have heard stories of people who believed in the Health & Wealth gospel and refused to go to the doctor or the hospital, and as a result, died. I would think that might be an example.'
ReplyDeleteYes.
He got up, walked back out through the door, the TV clicked back on, and I resumed watching “Laverne & Shirley.”
-Ibid, 26.
That show was awful.
Cheers.
Memorable wedding for sure, wonder if its real?? The best man seemed to really stumble, did not look staged? but still wonder about authenticity??
ReplyDelete-Wedding Scammer er I mean Planner-
It is staged, please see the red Hoax link in main body.
ReplyDeleteCheers.
If you are trying to make a guy feel old, you are going a great job. you bring up “Laverne & Shirley.”
ReplyDeleteO man are you dating some of us. LOL, Rick
'If you are trying to make a guy feel old, you are going a great job. you bring up “Laverne & Shirley.” O man are you dating some of us. LOL, Rick'
ReplyDeleteSadly I have memories of that mediocre show due to the fact that it was connected to Happy Days, which was a reasonably good program.
Mr. Jeff Jenkins of Thoughts and Theology posted on Facebook concerning the new Miss USA and her Muslim faith and connections.
ReplyDeleteI came across this online:
Jay Leno
Jay Leno2
'Jay Leno: Muslim Miss USA hopes to get ‘off the no-fly list’
Ex-Bush official: My 'affirmative action' theory wasn't to imply contest was 'rigged'
Newly-crowned Miss USA Rima Fakih is the pride of her native village, with residents saying the Lebanese-American not only brought honor to southern Lebanon but also offered a different image of Shiite Muslims often stereotyped as radicals.
Meanwhile, some bloggers who have been accused of anti-Arabic sentiment have been attacking Fakih since her win.
"She is an honor to us, a honor to all of southern Lebanon," her paternal aunt Afifa Fakih Said told AFP in Srifa, the beauty queen's hometown.
Residents of the southern village watched 24-year-old Rima compete in three categories -- swimsuit, evening gown and interview -- before winning the Miss USA title on Sunday.'
It seems to me Miss USA and its owner Donald Trump, have been in quite a few controversies over the last few years.
Perhaps it is good for business overall, as in lack of public apathy?
Incidently, my good friend Bobby Buff, wanted to start a Mr. East Maple Ridge body-building pageant back in the 1990s, but it did not fly.
Regarding the Shi'ite Muslim Miss America:
ReplyDelete"That goes to show you, in America we don't care what your faith is, we don't care what your politics are," Leno joked. "If you look smoking hot in a bikini, we will embrace you."
That's funny.
One question I have is that, if she were not a Muslim, would Donald Trump still have "no comment" about her being in a stripper-pole dance contest, or would she have her crown taken away?
WHAT ISLAM SAYS ABOUT WOMEN
ReplyDeleteTabari IX:113 "Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an."
Tabari I:280 "Allah said, 'It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."
Qur'an 4:3 "If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice who seem good to you, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to do justice (to so many), then only one, or (a slave) that you possess, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth)."
Qur'an 4:11 "Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.... These are settled portions ordained by Allah."
Bukhari:V1B22N28 "The Prophet said: 'I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.' When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, 'All the favors done for them by their husbands.'"
Muslim:B1N142 "'O womenfolk, you should ask for forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell.' A wise lady said: Why is it, Allah's Apostle, that women comprise the bulk of the inhabitants of Hell? The Prophet observed: 'You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. You lack common sense, fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise.' Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense? The Prophet replied, 'Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to one man. That is a proof.'"
Qur'an 2:282 "And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women [a man is worth two women, and one man is always needed], such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her."
Qur'an 4:43 "Believers, approach not prayers with a mind befogged or intoxicated until you understand what you utter. Nor when you are polluted, until after you have bathed. If you are ill, or on a journey, or come from answering the call of nature, or you have touched a woman, and you find no water, then take for yourselves clean dirt, and rub your faces and hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving." [The Qur'an claims women are unclean and polluted - worse than dirt.]
Bukhari:V4B55N547 "The Prophet said, 'But for the Israelis, meat would not decay, and if it were not for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands.'"
(cont.)
(cont.)
ReplyDeleteQur'an 33:59 "Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better."
Qur'an 4:15 "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them."
Bukhari:V4B52N143
V5B59N523 "When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed, so Allah's Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N524 "The Muslims said among themselves, 'Will Safiyah be one of the Prophet's wives or just a lady captive and one of his possessions?'"
Ishaq:593 "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another."
Bukhari:V3B48N826 "The Prophet said, 'Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?' The women said, 'Yes.' He said, 'This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind.'"
Ishaq:584 "Tell the men with you who have wives: never trust a woman."
Ishaq:185 "In hell I saw women hanging by their breasts. They had fathered bastards."
Qur'an 24:31 "Say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty except what (must) appear; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display them except to their husbands..."
Qur'an 24:34 "Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. [And here's the freedom-to-pimp card:] But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving."
Ishaq:469 "The Apostle said, 'Every wailing woman lies except those who wept for Sa'd.'"
Tabari VIII:62
Ishaq:496 "Ali [Muhammad's adopted son, son-in-law, and future Caliph] said, 'Prophet, women are plentiful. You can get a replacement, easily changing one for another.'"
Ishaq:496 "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
Qur'an 24:1 "(This is) a surah which We have revealed and made obligatory and in which We have revealed clear communications that you may be mindful. For the woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah. And let a party of the Believers witness their punishment."
Qur'an 24:6 "And for those who launch a charge against their wives, accusing them, but have no witnesses or evidence, except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing four times) by Allah that he is the one speaking the truth."
'Regarding the Shi'ite Muslim Miss America:
ReplyDelete"That goes to show you, in America we don't care what your faith is, we don't care what your politics are," Leno joked. "If you look smoking hot in a bikini, we will embrace you."'
Sex is power in Western society.
'That's funny.
One question I have is that, if she were not a Muslim, would Donald Trump still have "no comment" about her being in a stripper-pole dance contest, or would she have her crown taken away?'
I think it is good for business for Trump.
Less public apathy.
Thanks, Jeff.
'Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an."'
ReplyDelete'Tabari I:280 "Allah said, 'It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."'
Horrible and sexist.
Cheers.
Is Allah Like You? (Illustrated comic tract that you can read online)
ReplyDeleteGood old Chick Publications.:)
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