Wednesday, June 01, 2011

No Doomsday or Tombsday



May 26, 2011

A. Doomsday/Tombsday (or sadly was it Dumbsday?)

Uncle Chucklins sent me this link that also contains a video concerning Harold Camping:

IBTimes San Francisco

'May 24, 2011 8:46 PM EDT

The failed Doomsday prophet Harold Camping, the president of Family Radio who raised over $80 million of donations over the past five years, said he has no intention of giving any money back to those who have donated for his false Doomsday campaign.'

The article notes the network has 66 stations worldwide with Internal Revenue Service filings revealing the non-profit group worth $72 million dollars.

'Camping has repeatedly announced in the public that the Doomsday will take place on May 21, 2011 when 200 million people will Rapture and the remaining people will go through series of natural disasters, including earthquakes that would make Japan's recent earthquakes “look like a Sunday school picnic in comparison,” until October 21, 2011 when the world will be destroyed completely. Basing his calculation on Bible verses, Camping said he was, “without any shadow of a doubt it (Doomsday) is going to happen.”'

In the article it appears he has no intentions of returning any donations.

I noted on my other blog previously that this was a false prediction, I stated, edited:

'I saw two of these signs locally today, finally.

As I stated on Facebook. I reason this represents false prophecy. It is from Harold Camping of Family Radio, California.

In this rare case a friend wanted me to publicly make a comment because the billboard signs were local and very public and so I posted on Facebook prior to Blogger...

Matthew 24: 34: 41 NASB

34"Truly I say to you, (AS) this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

35"(AT)Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

36"But (AU) of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

37"For the (AV) coming of the Son of Man will be (AW) just like the days of Noah.

38"For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, (AX) marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that (AY)Noah entered the ark,

39and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the (AZ) coming of the Son of Man be.

40"Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.

41"(BA) Two women will be grinding at the (BB) mill; one will be taken and one will be left.

Also in Matthew 24: 24, Jesus warned against false Christs and false prophets that would show great signs and wonders, and if possible even mislead the elect.'

Further today:

H.L. Ellison states that the time of second coming is unknown except to the Father, but this does not mean there will not be clear signs before it. Ellison (1986: 1146). R.T. France reasons that date of the parousia (second coming/advent) is unknown to human beings and to angelic beings and even to the Son. A limitation of Jesus' earthly knowledge as human, although he is still both God/man. France (1985)(2001: 347).

Camping when he predicts anything rapture related is not merely suggesting signs, as many of us in the Christian community do, but is going beyond on that into the error of false prediction and false prophecy.

I do not know the man's motives but he would have millions of reasons to have bad motives. But only God can judge his heart properly...or mine.

ELLISON, H.L. (1986) ‘Matthew’, in F.F. Bruce (ed.), The International Bible Commentary, Grand Rapids, Zondervan.

FRANCE, R.T. (1985)(2001) Matthew, Grand Rapids, Eerdmans.



B. Calvinism


Blackburn page 53.
I have quoted secular philosopher Simon Blackburn a fair amount on my blogs and within my Wales MPhil and PhD theses. I find him a very useful philosopher and scholar. I am Reformed and basically hold to TULIP, and of course this too would need to be defined and debated. Since I have Reformed Baptist leanings although I am a member of a PCA church while in Canada, I consider myself more so Reformed than Calvinist or Calvinistic.

I suppose Blackburn's definition is basically largely correct although in regard to freedom Calvin does note...

If freedom is opposed to coercion, I both acknowledge and consistently maintain that choice is free and I hold anyone who thinks otherwise to be a heretic. If, I say, it were called free in this sense of not being coerced nor forcibly moved by an external impulse, but moving of its own accord, I have no objection. Calvin (1543)(1996: 68).

What Calvin seemingly opposed theologically and philosophically was libertarian free will, as he reasoned that a person with a corrupt nature would make choices via that nature. In the 'Introduction' to Calvin's The Bondage and Liberation of The Will the author A.N.S. Lane states that ' Calvin argues even the best of human works are tainted by human sin'. Introduction (xxi). A fallen human being was of a corrupt human nature and would always commit actions accordingly. Because of the sinful nature continual resulting sinful thoughts and actions could not be avoided by libertarian choice. However, a person was not forced or coerced by an outside force to commit acts that he or she would then be held morally accountable for.

To further clarify, this does not mean a person with a corrupt sinful nature will always sin, a particular sin, so, for example a person could resist a temptation, but the person will always be sinful.

For the Christian, being regenerated, born again (John 3), is the process by which God begins to work good in the person which culminates in the resurrection. At the resurrection, the taint of sin is removed from the human spirit/body unity. In contrast to human wickedness from a corrupt nature, Calvin noted goodness results from the grace of the work of the Holy Spirit. Calvin (1543)(1996: 115). This spiritual work starts the transformation is the elect.

BLACKBURN, SIMON (1996) Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy, Oxford, Oxford, University, Press.

CALVIN, JOHN (1543)(1996) The Bondage and Liberation of the Will, Translated by G.I. Davies, Grand Rapids, Baker Book House.

LANE, A.N.S. (Introduction) The Bondage and Liberation of the Will, Translated by G.I Davies, Grand Rapids, Baker Book House.



C. Satirical look at career prospects


I have between 150-200 CVs out this year for teaching positions at colleges, Universities, seminaries, and positions in regard to media/radio and publishing. But I suppose I need to consider my options outside of my four degrees (and future academic writing such as journals and books)...









Photo via email from Philip Hayes

One could start an international Yarsel business.

36 comments:

  1. Russ,

    Although Camping was once a member of a Reform church and held to those views, he certainly has veered far afield over the last quarter-century. As I noted in my last pot, he seems to have picked up and embraced a lot of the old Adventist views, including the claim May 21 turned out to be a Spiritual Judgment Day. He preaches a 23 year Tribulation, no Millenium Kingdom and no Hell. All the Elect will be Raptured on October 21, 2011, a change since they weren't Rapurtured on May 21. This will number about 200 million, as you noted. I am not clear if this included the dead who will rise or not, but I think it is only those still alive. Those who remain, the unsaved, will simply be enililated and cease to exist. These views seem to go back to the Absentionist beliefs formed 150 years ago.

    He has spent years developing his doomsday argument and preaching it. This has included the idea that Satan took control of all churches in 1988 and no true believe would remain in a church. This would cut off hearing any counter arguments to his scenario.

    Now he got around the "no one knows" and "as a thief in the night" Scriptures by using the story of Noah. You quoted:

    37"For the (AV) coming of the Son of Man will be (AW) just like the days of Noah.

    38"For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, (AX) marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that (AY)Noah entered the ark,

    39and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the (AZ) coming of the Son of Man be.

    Camping claims that God sending Noah and his family into the Ark seven days before the rains came and the floor proves true believers will know the date of the Rapture. He also uses this in his argument that Judgment Day was exactly 7,000 years from the day the flood began.

    Anyway, it should be interesting what Camping says on October 22, providing our Lord doesn't come before then, always a distinct possibility.

    Larry

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  2. 'Although Camping was once a member of a Reform church and held to those views, he certainly has veered far afield over the last quarter-century. As I noted in my last pot, he seems to have picked up and embraced a lot of the old Adventist views, including the claim May 21 turned out to be a Spiritual Judgment Day.'

    Thanks, Larry as you were stating like on Facebook.

    'He preaches a 23 year Tribulation, no Millenium Kingdom and no Hell. All the Elect will be Raptured on October 21, 2011, a change since they weren't Rapurtured on May 21. This will number about 200 million, as you noted. I am not clear if this included the dead who will rise or not, but I think it is only those still alive. Those who remain, the unsaved, will simply be enililated and cease to exist. These views seem to go back to the Absentionist beliefs formed 150 years ago.'

    Cheers.

    I am not expert on his theology I admit.

    'He has spent years developing his doomsday argument and preaching it. This has included the idea that Satan took control of all churches in 1988 and no true believe would remain in a church. This would cut off hearing any counter arguments to his scenario.'

    Just call critics satanic. It has been done a 'million' times.

    'Now he got around the "no one knows" and "as a thief in the night" Scriptures by using the story of Noah. You quoted:

    37"For the (AV) coming of the Son of Man will be (AW) just like the days of Noah.

    38"For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, (AX) marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that (AY)Noah entered the ark,

    39and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the (AZ) coming of the Son of Man be.

    Camping claims that God sending Noah and his family into the Ark seven days before the rains came and the floor proves true believers will know the date of the Rapture. He also uses this in his argument that Judgment Day was exactly 7,000 years from the day the flood began.'

    Today is the post-Biblical era, and so there would be no reason to think, or at least expect that one would receive special revelation concerning the second coming, not to mention the Scripture already discussed that states only the Father would know.

    'Anyway, it should be interesting what Camping says on October 22, providing our Lord doesn't come before then, always a distinct possibility.'

    Your feedback is much appreciated, Larry. Cheers.

    Russ:)

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  3. Jimmy!!!

    I am hoping Man Utd takes care of Barcelona on Saturday for us...

    Cheers.

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  4. Camping should just cite Al Gore as a precedent when it comes to doomsday prophets and giving money back.

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  5. The picture of the flack jacket was funny.

    The whole Harold Camping thing is really sad. I would hate to be Harold when he stands before God. Sad as it is, you know many people will walk away from the Lord because of this false prophet.

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  6. 'The picture of the flack jacket was funny.'

    I was in bed laughing about it.

    'The whole Harold Camping thing is really sad. I would hate to be Harold when he stands before God. Sad as it is, you know many people will walk away from the Lord because of this false prophet.'

    I cannot judge him, but...

    Matthew 7:15-23 (New American Standard Bible)

    15 “Beware of the (A)false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are (B)ravenous wolves. 16 You will [a](C)know them by their fruits. [b]Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So (D)every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 (E)Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will [c]know them F)by their fruits.

    21 “(G)Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 (H)Many will say to Me on (I)that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [d]miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; (J)DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

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  7. as a joke, we'd childishly say that we had gathered the 7 dragon ball z that's why there was no doomsday hehe

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  8. Thanks, Honey.

    My nephew has played that game.

    It would be amusing if Camping at his age has played that game.

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  9. Camping has proven himself to be a false prophet, as you already pointed out, Russ, and, I think, no better than the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower Bible and Tract Society that has repeatedly published and proclaimed false prophecies which have failed to come true.

    As we all know, even Jesus, when He was on earth, did not know the date or 'hour' of His return.

    Camping is doing a huge disservice to public opinion of Christianity. Anyone who follows him is completely lacking in discernment. I'm not sure whether he is a boy who cried 'wolf,' or a wolf in sheep's clothing, or both.

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  10. Jeff, agreed.

    Sorry, but I need to change the subject.

    Quick question.

    Google Friend Connect, or Google/Blogger Followers, I have not been able to see the application on either one of my blogs or your blog for a day.

    Can you see the application and followers?

    Cheers.

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  11. Benny Hinn puts Harold to shame (Benny pulls in $1 Billion every 5 years).

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  12. C'mon Harold Camping, get your head out of your (#@#@#), you are clearly mistaken and a false prophet, you should know better, deceiving people to donate to your cause, you are not spreading the Gospel but lies and BS!
    -Walter T. Franklin-

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  13. I want to go to the island pictured on your blog with that beautiful blue ocean!
    -Vacation Vinny-

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  14. Hey Mr. Camping, if the Rapture did occur on May 21, we've got problems because you are still here, whats up?
    -LEFT BEHIND??-

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  15. 'chucky said...

    Benny Hinn puts Harold to shame (Benny pulls in $1 Billion every 5 years).'

    Benny almost a billionaire and Harold merely a millionaire?

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  16. 'Benny Hinn is the Dark Lord of the Sith'

    His ministry is mainly like science fiction...

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  17. 'C'mon Harold Camping, get your head out of your (#@#@#), you are clearly mistaken and a false prophet, you should know better, deceiving people to donate to your cause, you are not spreading the Gospel but lies and BS!
    -Walter T. Franklin-'

    I take it you are not a member of the Harold Camping Fan Club?

    Thank you.

    Good points.

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  18. 'I want to go to the island pictured on your blog with that beautiful blue ocean!
    -Vacation Vinny-'

    As stated previously, I have never seen ocean water of that light blue colour in person.

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  19. 'Hey Mr. Camping, if the Rapture did occur on May 21, we've got problems because you are still here, whats up?
    -LEFT BEHIND??-'

    Back to the (his) drawing board.

    He pulled a similar stunt in 1994.

    Ghana

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  20. Very well written and explained amen and amen!

    Tammy :)

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  21. Thank you very much, Tamela.

    I like my new blog (s) format.

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  22. Best wishes on your job journey...
    Aloha from Honolulu

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  23. Thanks, Cloudia.

    I filled out an application for a writing job yesterday and will work on an application in regard to an assistant/associate professor post this weekend, on the eastcoast.

    The weather is 'Hawaiian like' here today...

    Blessings,

    Russ

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  24. A couple friends of mine from my church, an elderly, overweight, low-income couple (the husband is retired, and they have very little money, and most of the money they do have they give away) who both have health conditions, go faithfully every Friday night to hand out gospel tracts, even though the husband usually has to walk with a cane and the wife has really bad, painful knees and has had knee surgery. Also, the husband has had 3 heart attacks. The husband talks to the homeless people that hang around there. Yesterday (Sun.) morning after church they went to Popeye's to eat, and a homeless Native American (Indian) woman was outside the restaurant. The wife went out there and talked to her, and invited her in to buy her something to eat. The homeless woman, who had been sleeping out in the grass behind a building next to an air conditioner, said that she just wanted the cheapest thing available, maybe French Fries
    with honey mustard sauce. But my friends insisted on buying her a full meal. Then the husband gave her a gospel tract and explained the gospel to her, and they led her in a prayer to accept Christ. They invited her to live in a trailer that they have behind their house, in exchange for doing
    whatever yard work she felt like doing (she used to stucco houses, she said, so apparently she is a hard worker). The homeless woman said that is a big decision, and she would have to think about it. But she hugged them and thanked them. I forget what they told me her name was, but if you would, please say a prayer for her, especially that she would grow in her new-found faith.

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  25. Google Friend Connect, or Google/Blogger Followers, I have not been able to see the application on either one of my blogs or your blog for a day.

    Can you see the application and followers?


    Sorry, Russ, I didn't see that before. For 'Google Friend Connect,' it said: "Congratulations, you've added http://jeffjenkinsocala.blogspot.com/." I then added the gadget to my blog page.

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  26. Lord, please guide this woman in her faith and in her life.

    In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Amen.

    Thanks, Jeff.

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  27. The application been working fine for me recently Jeff. You now have two versions of the application. The original one you have is probably the one specifically for Blogger.

    Cheers.

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  28. Hey Russ,

    Camping... I think he has said enough maybe he should be still for awhile.. i think i would lol!

    Tammy :)

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  29. Camping suffered a stroke which affected his speech. Looks like he won't be giving any more prophecies for a while.

    Russ, what do you think of this guy?: YouTube video: The Book of Daniel, Chapter 11, Part 1

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  30. 'Camping suffered a stroke which affected his speech. Looks like he won't be giving any more prophecies for a while.'

    Yes, I saw that on Facebook.

    'Russ, what do you think of this guy?: YouTube video: The Book of Daniel, Chapter 11, Part 1'

    Very speculative sadly, although he has done quite a bit of research. He does seem to be fairly familiar with Biblical scholars on Daniel at least.

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