Sunday, August 01, 2010
Academic follies
Big Sur, California
Firstly, speaking of academic follies, as I mentioned in thekingpin68 blog comments, Skubalon in links on his blog posted the story of a Christian in the USA involved in an academic conflict with a University. For my satire and theology readers/comment writers I will post the headline here. Please feel free to comment on this interesting topic.
Lawsuit Claims College Ordered Student to Alter Religious Views on Homosexuality, Or Be Dismissed
Secondly, I have a new and more academic article, a PhD edit, here (comments appreciated on that blog as well).
Consciousness
Thirdly, Academic follies
Well, I have gone over my hassles with Manchester more than once (see 'A good guy...' posted April, 2010) but other follies have occurred. Here is one example.
My first trip to see Wales, Lampeter, my new campus and my advisor was in early 2004. I was to stay a few days. I had been staying with my friend Documentary Man in Greater Manchester and had to take the journey to west Wales. See map below.
Well according to RAC and its fuel and mileage claim calculator the driving distance from Manchester to Lampeter is 157.07 miles/252.78 km and about 3 hours 24 minutes.
Having never been to that part of the UK, and having not driven on the left side of the road since 1997, I decided to take the train. British Rail had no direct route to Lampeter and so I had to take several trains without sleeping in order not to miss my changes, and eventually got close enough to Lampeter to find a bus that would drive me to the centre of Lampeter, from which I could carry my luggage to the campus.
This trip which started very early in the morning in Manchester took approximately 9 hours. I arrived in the afternoon quite tired as I still had jet lag. I had only arrived in Manchester a day or two earlier. I managed to find a main office that directed me to my room. I then cleaned myself up and introduced myself to my advisor. He stated that I must have been tired and that he would see me for a meeting that evening with a several other PhD students.
I arrived at the meeting that evening and judging from the questions being asked there was basically, as there was with me at Manchester, a fairly large gulf between what I had been taught with my first two Christian degrees, and picked up with my own research and what they had been taught within the British system.
The planned discussion which took place concentrated on the methodology of certain writers as opposed to the theology or philosophy of writers. There was more concern with the assumptions and methods of Biblical writers and those who wrote on the Bible and theology, than the philosophical views presented.
This was a different approach for the most part me, although, I did do some methodological work at Canadian Baptist Seminary at Trinity Western University, for example. But my primary focus was the views presented as opposed to how these views came to be. Having written my MPhil and PhD theses I do now have a greater appreciation for background information and methodology. There is plenty of it with my PhD although it is far less interesting for me to research and write.
Much less interesting for readers too, hence you do not see much of it.
It has its educational benefits. A concern I have with it is its potential abuse. For example, reading into Paul's objections to homosexuality in Romans 1 and I Corinthians 6, in that Paul was a single man, and perhaps homosexual and was therefore speaking against a personal struggle he had. This opposed to simply recognizing that Paul, or a scribe on behalf of Paul, had a philosophical and theological objection to homosexuality as sin.
All of the students it seemed, when presenting seemed to favour methodology over philosophy and I was thinking that as a result they all seemed more like Biblical scholars doing PhDs in Biblical Studies as opposed to one like myself who was a philosophical theologian doing a PhD in Theology, who has now basically become a philosopher of religion as well. I do Biblical Studies too, of course.
When my turn came to speak, I stated although I did not neglect backgrounds and methodology, the philosophical views were primary to me. One gentlemen from the Caribbean got quite upset by that and also by the fact I stated I used the historical grammatical method of reviewing Scripture, which would use some methodology by the way. This as opposed to what I stated was overly subjective methodological approaches that risked reading motives into the writers of Scripture and modern writers of Biblical Studies, theology and philosophy of religion.
The gentlemen insisted that I did not know what I was doing and would not pass at Lampeter. Now I had just done a 40, 000 MPhil thesis at Wales, Bangor with no revisions after marking, and so I was confident but realized, as I still do now, that I always have much to learn. He insisted that after the meeting he would get my email address and so he could send me some information on how it is done. I stated that was fine.
Admittedly, since these men (no women there, figures) were apparently more so Biblical scholars than theologians they were ahead of me in certain areas of Biblical education.
I then spoke on my work with the problem of evil and theodicy and basically received some pretty blank stares as if no one knew what I was taking about. No one challenged me and I seemed to gain respect.
The gentlemen from the Caribbean, which I deduce was a kind man basically, came up to me after the meeting and seemed a little less cocky. He asked for my email address and it contained 'grandfinale' and does one of my present ones. He then asked me what it meant. Here, I thought I was going to have some fun. I asked him if he had heard of Rush from Canada. He said, yes. I told him I was the guitar player and I did a famous solo called 2112 Grand Finale from the album All the World's a Stage. I thought he would see through my joke, but he did not and so I did not go out of my way to correct him. I think I implied I was joking, but I am not sure how clear he was on it though. I told him to feel free to email me with his instructions but I cannot remember if he ever did. He went on to state how he could only do the PhD at Lampeter for as long as his Bishop in the Caribbean would cover it financially and allow it. I thought that perhaps he was obeying the party line from the Bishop and was glad I had no such line to follow in order to maintain myself in a PhD program.
I mentioned the gentlemen to my academic advisor at a later point, and I was told he was struggling. I hope he made it.
Aberystwyth is apparently about 50 km north of Lampeter. Wales is a beautiful country, by the way.
I think I am a 'little' too young to have done that 1976 solo.
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"...reading into Paul's objections to homosexuality in Romans 1 and I Corinthians 6, in that Paul was a single man, and perhaps homosexual and was therefore speaking against a personal struggle he had."
ReplyDeleteYes, the "liberal" interpreter will not allow the Scripture to be the infallible Word of God--it must also be the word of "fallible" human beings with their biases and ignorance and as such must be "interpreted" in light of our advanced learning and technology (and "moral" understanding).
I'm reading a book for class, "The Gifts of the Jews" by Thomas Cahill, that is deeply influenced by "modern methodology" and it is quite frustrating. Of course, having realized very quickly that he doesn't accept the Bible as the Word of God but only as the "word of man" (men) who are writing about God, I have been able to look past this and learn some things that are helpful in my own understanding of Western History and my personal walk of faith.
But still, it's a shame that the liberal mindset is so rampant in Christian academia.
GGM
'Yes, the "liberal" interpreter will not allow the Scripture to be the infallible Word of God--it must also be the word of "fallible" human beings with their biases and ignorance and as such must be "interpreted" in light of our advanced learning and technology (and "moral" understanding).'
ReplyDeleteThanks, GGM.
The liberal leanings of British academia had much to do with the initial negative reaction I received at the meeting.
'I have been able to look past this and learn some things that are helpful in my own understanding of Western History and my personal walk of faith.'
Yes. Methodology is helpful to us. In its place.
People who think Paul was gay are simply looking to deny the truth. It is believed Paul was married but his wife possibly left him.
ReplyDeleteRuss most people know what a dictator is, well guess what, I just learned i'm a rictator, you will conform, you will obey. How great is that. Rick b
'Russ most people know what a dictator is, well guess what, I just learned i'm a rictator, you will conform, you will obey. How great is that. Rick b'
ReplyDeleteFeel free to explain. It is Friday night, and no party yet.
Grand Finale starts at 6:50.
ReplyDeleteI think the focus on methodology rather than philosophy is also related to a weenie aversion to debate, and aversion to tackling potentially controversial issues.
ReplyDeleteLet's just talk, for instance, about Hitler's methodology regarding his 3rd Reich principles, and not talk about his actual beliefs as such...
yeesh.
Been 'playing' that solo since I was eight years old.
ReplyDeleteAnother version at
7:20
'I think the focus on methodology rather than philosophy is also related to a weenie aversion to debate, and aversion to tackling potentially controversial issues.
ReplyDeleteLet's just talk, for instance, about Hitler's methodology regarding his 3rd Reich principles, and not talk about his actual beliefs as such...
yeesh.'
I am afraid I have thought and feared the same.
It can avoid to a greater degree philosophical conflicts, and at extremes undermine religious philosophy/theology not considered politically correct.
Thanks.
I have this way of really pissing people off. I have made grown men cry before, and I have had grown men go crying to my wife and telling her I am picking on them. She would tell them to come talk to me and not cry to her, but they never came to me to deal with things.
ReplyDeleteSo anyway I have a kid in my class who is 19 years old and he told me he has a rebellious side. I told him I can break him of it. He said I could never do it. I told him I am so strong willed and would win out, he would have a easier time beating his head on a brick wall.
well me just being me, made him really mad and after a couple of days he skipped a day of class, then once he came back, he was pretty quite and submissive.
I know that sounds mean, but the kid is lazy and is getting maybe a (C). I'm paying 43,000 dollars to go to school, and pulling a 3.83 GPA, I'm not going to have my grade lowered due to some lazy punk kid.
So I was telling my best friend about this and he said I had a Rictatorship going on. Rick b
Funniest news reporter bloopers.
ReplyDelete'I have this way of really pissing people off.'
ReplyDeleteNo way.
'I know that sounds mean, but the kid is lazy and is getting maybe a (C). I'm paying 43,000 dollars to go to school, and pulling a 3.83 GPA, I'm not going to have my grade lowered due to some lazy punk kid.'
Yes, a thing I hated about group projects at Bible School.
Pope Chucklins, you reposted.
ReplyDeleteThanks.
You've done well in your studies and I think that once you were given the chance to defend your views, research, and conclusions, your audience of acadamia began to show you some respect. Well done!
ReplyDelete-R E S P E C T sock it to me...-
Thanks.
ReplyDeleteYes with God's help I have had to earn respect.
It is not as if people were running to award me with a Doctorate.;)
I need some stress relief...
ReplyDeleteIffy ads, some from childhood...
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Honeycomb creep out
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Kool-Aid
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I would like to say that you really made my day, it's wonderful when you just look around the web and find something like this, reminds me of that ''How to make a dinner for a romantic...'' by Elsa Thomas, you're a wonderful writer let me tell you!!! ñ_ñ
ReplyDeleteJames Maverick (maverickhunterjames@gmail.com)
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Mr. Viagra, your comment is interesting but doesn't fit the material on this blog you are commenting on, perhaps your name should be Mr. Generic.
ReplyDelete-Blog Police-
Hey Kool-Aid, this commercial reminds me of childhood TV, and now I'm thirsty but first I have to eat my bowl of Honey Comb!
ReplyDelete-Capt.Crunch-
Mormons sure put a lot of time and effort into propaganda commercials, why?
ReplyDelete-Curious G.-
Kool-Aid Man is a menace.
ReplyDeleteI'd rather get hit by <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86IpU3g-S8Q>Punchy</a> than have to repair all the damage from Kool-Aid Man's entrance.
'Mr. Viagra, your comment is interesting but doesn't fit the material on this blog you are commenting on, perhaps your name should be Mr. Generic.
ReplyDelete-Blog Police-'
Dear BP,
I have no use or need for Viagra or related, whatsoever.
'Hey Kool-Aid, this commercial reminds me of childhood TV, and now I'm thirsty but first I have to eat my bowl of Honey Comb!
ReplyDelete-Capt.Crunch-'
I think it is a bit creepy with grown men trying to intimidate children in a 'hideout'.
'Mormons sure put a lot of time and effort into propaganda commercials, why?
ReplyDelete-Curious G.-'
I suppose they have billions of reasons.
Punchy
ReplyDeleteAs a kid, I always thought that guy was too violent.
Although the doctrine of annihilationism has become prevalent in the UK, here is a Baptist theologian, who defends it in this 3-part youtube presentation.
ReplyDeletePart 2
Part 3
He does seem to allow for a limited period of suffering prior to annihilation, which may be different from others.
Thanks, yes it is Greg Boyd.
ReplyDeleteSome of my thoughts on this issue:
thekingpin68 non-exhaust on hell
thekingpin68 lecture hell
satire annihilation
Your topic is turning into a Viagra ad, sad. Mormons are trying to convert because they then bring in the money. They have a false gospel and when confronted do not like to debate the serious issues. they really only want to talk with people that will believe what they say with out question.
ReplyDeleteCheers.
ReplyDelete'Your topic is turning into a Viagra ad, sad.'
And funny, so I published.:)
'Mormons are trying to convert because they then bring in the money. They have a false gospel and when confronted do not like to debate the serious issues. they really only want to talk with people that will believe what they say with out question.'
Well-stated.
This is from the same site that claimed Bob Ross was a Mormon.
Famouse Dead Mormons
Charles Taze Russell
Quote:
'It seems that Pastor Russell might be relieved to be baptized a mormon, since the 4 or 5 times he predicted the second coming of Christ never came to pass. He would certainly be more secure in his salvation now that he has been baptized twice by mormons, seeking to rescue his soul.'
Quote:
'Russell was saved due to Jesus’ atoning sacrifice, not because some Mormons supposedly baptized him after his death. Russell believed and taught that Mormonism was a deception of the devil and his demons.'
Also:
Pope John Paul II
Well, I am having trouble with my comments. I have posted a reply to Rick three times and each time it posts and then disappears.
ReplyDeleteThe comments were raptured.
So, thank you, Rick and I thought the Viagra SPAM was funny.
I was trying to post links from Famous Dead Mormons, but for whatever reason it is a no go, three times.
Anyway, the site, which claims Bob Ross was LDS also features Charles Taze Russell (Watchtower) and Pope John Paul II.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1fzZzcbz-g&feature=related
ReplyDeletewow- to be an enlightened
spiritual leader i need only be bald, out of shape, and
dance comically?
i guess i've attained enlightenment then!
-=sham_wow=-
Dancing guru
ReplyDeleteLol. Not really looking like a holy man dancing in his underwear.
Well-done, thanks for the find.
What's up with this dancing guru guy? I truly hope that people do not follow him or his teachings!!
ReplyDelete-guru kookoo-
Some do follow, and sadly I think many of these gurus use these positions to take advantage of people, including women.
ReplyDeleteOK, Russ, the comments here have ranged from homosexuality, liberals, Hitler, Rush, 'The Ricktator,' academia, Viagra, Kool-Aid, Mormons, the Pope, Bob Ross, annihilationism, and even a dancing guru. So I'll contribute to the varied mix by throwing in my usual Islam-oriented comment.
ReplyDeleteOne Muslim, who appears to be a study in contradiction---a democratic Muslim (he calls himself a "secular Muslim," whatever that is)---says this on his blog (http://ghadry.com/mosque-ground-move-iwo-jima-japan/):
"If we let Saudi Arabia fund and build the Mosque in New York as a token of their triumphalism over the US for 9/11, we are in fact not applying the Freedom of Religion laws but rather, we are giving my religion the chance to conquer New York by planting its flag of victory.
Mayor Bloomberg is focused on one set of laws when he should be investigating every religious edict or Fatwa of Islam that emanated from our scholars the last 25 years. But what if religion acts like a conquering army? How could we reconcile this fact with our laws? Being an American, laws will always prevail, but being a Muslim also, I have a warning: We will conquer you if you do not change your laws accordingly.
The US better reconcile between Freedom of Religion and Islam as a conquering army soon. The two cannot co-exist for long."
One commenter said this:
"After escaping the WTC on 9/11, what so angered me is that our leaders never bothered to educate themselves about the teaching of Islam. They still continue to allege that Islam is a peaceful religion when in actuality the Koran teaches intolerance, violence, bigotry, anti-Semitism, misogyny. They are building this mosque at Ground Zero for the same reason they built their mosques on the Temple Mount above the ruins of the two Temples in Jerusalem. Building this mosque at Ground Zero will be a tremendous victory for the jihadists over the US infidels – why else did they name it Cordoba Center? It refers to the mosque built atop the remains of a church in Cordoba after Soldiers of Allah conquered Spain."
The blog author replied:
"We Muslims do have a history of many attempts to try and erase the history of others and the Temple is one good example. Did you know that Cordoba boasted 700 Mosques at the height of Islamic occupation? Partially to erase Christianity. I think every Mayor of major Metropolis, every Governor, and leading legislators including Federal Judges in all 50 States should have scholars on their staff whose job is to explain and educate their leaders about extreme Islam whose interpretation today leads us to wage wars and engage in violence. Thanks for your comment.."