Friday, March 12, 2010

Flat Bible and Progressive Revelation


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This topic was discussed previously on this blog. But, I have made some changes to the post and have more readers now.;)

Flat Bible and Progressive Revelation

Explanation

Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant in contrast to the old covenant of the Hebrew Bible. (Hebrews 12: 24). The law in particular was only a shadow of good things to come. (Hebrews 10). The law cannot save as shown in Romans 4, but persons are saved through righteousness of faith fulfilled in Christ and by grace through faith in Christ. Galatians 2 mentions the folly of following the law as persons now have Christ. In the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 4-6, Jesus explains the deeper spiritual meanings of the law. New Testament revelation of Christ/apostles does not contradict the previous revelation.

The Hebrew Bible/Old Testament must be read in context, and the New Testament should not be read into the Old Testament. The Hebrew Bible should be studied for original context.

I conclude that Biblically a flat Bible hermeneutical approach which does not properly interpret old covenant teaching through a new covenant amplification, should be academically rejected for one that takes a progressive revelation approach, in order for one to posses the fullness of God’s Scriptural revelation and the gospel message. Progressive revelation is defined as the understanding that God's self-disclosure is in progression from the Old Testament to the New Testament. Grenz, Guretzki, and Nordling (1999: 96). Therefore the New Testament offers a more complete revelation. The Old Testament is to be understood in light of the fuller teaching of the New Testament. Grenz, Guretzki, and Nordling (1999: 96).

Additionally

The gospel plan of the New Testament is God’s final Scriptural revelation for humanity. There is therefore no other means of salvation (John 14: 6, Acts 4: 12).

Theologically, as examples, Islam is rejected for reasons such as the denial of key doctrines about Christ, including his deity, and the Latter-Day Saints theology is rejected for reasons such as holding to polytheism and henotheism (belief in more than one God, or the belief that more than one God in existence is possible, although only one is worshipped) which are against Scriptural teaching. (Isaiah 43, 44, 45). Christ as the Alpha and Omega, as the beginning and the end (Revelation 1: 8, 21: 6, 22: 13) demonstrates theologically his nature as the one and only Almighty God. There is only one God in existence and only one God that should be worshipped. Mounce states that this title of Christ in Revelation sets Christ beyond the created order and Christ is also unlimited as The Son and has the same divine nature as the Father (and I would add the Holy Spirit). Mounce (1990: 393).

GRENZ, STANLEY J., DAVID GURETZKI AND CHERITH FEE NORDLING (1999) Pocket Dictionary of Theological Terms, Downers Grove, Ill., InterVarsity Press.

MOUNCE, ROBERT, H. (1990) The Book of Revelation, Grand Rapids, William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company.


I do deal with the problem of evil with research degrees and my blogs. Keeping this in mind, I placed the above link in the comments of a couple of posts and am willing to discuss it in comments, but I decided to be sensitive to my readers and not discuss it in the main body.

Again, please feel free to discuss it on here if you wish.

However, I will state that I am glad Hustler was denied and that their request shows an incredible level of moral depravity.



A classic jazz-fusion piece with humorous unintended whistling and ending. I read online from Holdsworth that this album was demos and that a music company exec. came and took the tape away and soon there was an album, without the consent of the artist.

Holdsworth

'And we were actually rehearsing in the studio and they were rolling the tape while we were rehearsing on the premise that we'd be able to keep recording and also check things out, but that never happened. At the end of that day, the guy said "Thanks, see ya!" That's why a lot of those tunes don't have any endings—they were rehearsals! That was a complete rip-off.'

Now this is not Biblical.

Not Biblical

45 comments:

  1. Well, I might upset some 'fundis' with it, but I agree with you Jeff.

    Cheers.

    Marvel at this

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  2. That must be one of the "parallel earths", where angels are all superheroes instead (except Lucifer, who still appears as a snake here...maybe he looks like Dr. Doom otherwise).
    In that reality, is Spidey-angel actually thwarting God's plan, by taking away the apple? Hmmmm.

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  3. And Eve is showing a dangerous amount of cleavage...

    This has cult written all over it.

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  4. Re: Marvel at this
    Mahhhvelous. Simply Mahhhvelous.
    (Now where did that meme come from?)

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  5. Saint Chucklins, who would win with the battle of Captain Marvels?

    I will go with Shazam!

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  6. HERE is a fellow blogger and a Facebook friend who has a lot of experience witnessing to Jehovah's Witnesses, in case anyone is interested in visiting his blog. I don't know whether he would be interested in doing a link exchange or not.

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  7. It looks like he has put a lot of work into the blog.

    Cheers.

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  8. The BBC broadcasts an IQ2 Debate on YouTube: "Europe is failing its Muslims." In response, THIS site says, "...the audience voting overwhelmingly (and despite considerable intimidation in the hall on the night) that Europe is not in fact failing its Muslims," and that "It has been made repeatedly obvious that it is Islam that has failed Europe, indeed that it is Islam that has failed Muslims."

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  9. HERE is another fellow blogger and also Facebook friend who has a lot of experience with Muslims.

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  10. I am sure that you, Saint Chucklins, Bobby Buff and the Jeff could assist me in the department, Rick.;)

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  11. He approaches the parody from the robot angle, well done.

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  12. If I was to whistle along with Allan Holdsworth's song I would be afraid that the record company would record me along with the original whistler and re-release the album again!
    -Whistling all the way to the Bank-

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  13. Russ, I have a question for you.
    (In thinking about this question, I have in mind the Oneness Pentecostals and especially the Jehovah's Witnesses.) How can Jesus be called the "Everlasting Father" in Isaiah 9:6? (I also note that "Wonderful Counselor," which I believe is a title given to the Holy Spirit, is also in this verse.)

    "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

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  14. Hi Jeff.

    Strong

    אָב

    Lexicon Results
    Strong's H1 - 'ab
    אָב
    Transliteration
    'ab
    Pronunciation
    äv (Key)

    Part of Speech
    masculine noun
    Root Word (Etymology)
    A root
    TWOT Reference
    4a
    Outline of Biblical Usage
    1) father of an individual
    2) of God as father of his people
    3) head or founder of a household, group, family, or clan
    4) ancestor
    a) grandfather, forefathers -- of person
    b) of people
    5) originator or patron of a class, profession, or art
    6) of producer, generator (fig.)
    7) of benevolence and protection (fig.)
    8) term of respect and honour
    9) ruler or chief (spec.)

    BOYD, GREGORY A. (1992) Oneness Pentecostals and the Trinity, Grand Rapids, Baker Books.

    Boyd explains:

    -Isaiah 9:6 is the most used text by Oneness supporters (are modalists). p. 71.

    -אָב does not have to do with the formal term for God, Father developed in the New Testament. p. 72.

    -The Messiah's coming character is denoted. p. 72.

    -The Messiah will be in a sense the Father of humanity in the culminated Kingdom. p. 73.

    -Another interpretation is that Christ will be the Father of all ages. He is the creator. p. 73.

    I favoured prior to looking this up and still favour the first interpretation.

    Thanks.:)

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  15. OK, so you've got Eve with Spider-Man. But I've got JESUS ON THE RAMPAGE! OK, so it borders on being sacrilegious and might possibly even be considered blasphemous to some. Still, in the Old Testament, God made a mockery of each and every one of the Egyptian Gods in the Ten Plagues, so here, Jesus is pitted against the Greek gods. It could possibly be said that this is appropriate, since the New Testament writers were surrounded by those who worshiped the Greek gods.

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  16. Liking the new black header on your blog- not ominous to me.
    If it were barbed wire or something I could understand then
    yes.

    Interesting cartoon btw...


    Diego "sniff sniff" Maradona

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  17. Thanks my friend.

    Yes, I like the black header on thekingpin68 as well. I will alternate it with the original red header.

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  18. That "Religious affiliation of comic book characters" is cool; I've seen it briefly before. How did they determine that Superman was a Methodist?



    -from that half-black, long-winded, elderly guy.

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  19. I need to change my stock over, since the company has changed ownership. The stock I have is with Marvel Enterprises, Inc., and it has changed ownership to The Walt Disney Company. The merger was completed on Dec. 31, 2009, and Marvel was bought out by Disney for $4 billion dollars. Now, if I had 1,000 shares, I would probably be doing great. Unfortunately, I only have 1 measly share! LOL!

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  20. If Disney merged (hypothetically) with Time Warner, perhaps Marvel would merge with DC, and then they would have two families of Captain Marvels.

    I guess you are more of a stock boy than a stock broker? Lol. Not that I have much to talk about...

    'That "Religious affiliation of comic book characters" is cool; I've seen it briefly before. How did they determine that Superman was a Methodist?'

    Do not know. I am not a Superman fan.

    '-from that half-black, long-winded, elderly guy.'

    Hmm, well you could be 'half-winded' and on a respirator.

    Cheers to you in Florida.

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  21. I guess you are more of a stock boy than a stock broker? Lol. Not that I have much to talk about...

    I used to have a number of stocks in a few companies, years ago, but they dwindled down to nothing, so it was a loss and, in the end, a waste. When I first got into stocks, it seemed like a good idea, but just a couple or so years later, the stock market started doing badly.

    I had a neighbor in Miami who had $50,000 worth of stocks all in one company. The company went bankrupt and he lost all of it.

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  22. Sorry to read that, Jeff.

    The stock market interests me, but I would need to gain knowledge about it before investing. I know people that have lost money in it as well.

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  23. yeah, i'd rather invest in a GIC or
    some other method of saving where
    losing your money isn't an option,
    though the rate of return would be alot less.


    Bernie Madoff

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  24. 'yeah, i'd rather invest in a GIC or some other method of saving where losing your money isn't an option, though the rate of return would be alot less.


    Bernie Madoff'

    It is not my field, but I understand that a good amount of savings/money should be invested in low return safer investments. With money one can afford to lose perhaps invested in high risk stocks, business ventures, and gambling at casinos or on sports etc., if one is so inclined, I am not interested in that type of gambling, but I use that as example.

    Thanks, sir.

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  25. Unfortunately it's a terrible time to be a saver - with interest rates near zero, GICs actually cause you to lose money after taking into account inflation. And a lot of stocks are overpriced and risky.
    For wealth preservation, I'd recommend precious metals - gold and/or silver. They won't make money for you, but they will preserve their worth, unlike paper currency, which the central bank can inflate away.
    As for building wealth, the best thing I can think of is to look around you as to what the world needs now and in the future, look at yourself and ask how you can meet some of those needs with your skills and interests, and get a job or start a business in that area. And buy a some gold or silver with a small portion of your earnings.
    The most common mistake people make is that their investing is really gambling, because they do not limit or understand financial risk.

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  26. Thanks, Chuck.

    There are many ads on television in regard to turning in gold and also investing in gold.

    People need to find where their talents and skills can be used for benefit, including at times financial.

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  27. Good advice St. Chucklins.
    I didn't think that GIC's would be
    that lame. *wah*

    Just keep money in a "high" interest bank account?! heh...


    jamz

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  28. I've been hearing advice about investing in gold and silver for several years now, especially because the American dollar is expected by many to plunge in value, possibly in the very near future.

    My 1 stock share in Marvel/Disney is worth $30. In order to transfer it over, I have to surrender it. But it was a gift from my brother, not to make money, but for sentimental reasons, since it's Marvel Comics. He had it framed in wood, covered in glass, and his name (as the giver) plus the phrase "With great power there must also come great responsibility" engraved on a gold plate below the stock certificate. So, after thinking about it, I don't think it would be worth $30 to sell the gift he gave me. Plus, it might be seen as kind of offensive to sell a gift that someone bought for me just last year. And possibly, in years to come, maybe it could be worth something to a collector.

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  29. Those "money for gold" companies that advertise on TV are mostly scams. They will give you much less than what your item is worth, then sell it to a jeweler for a profit. Better to just go to a couple of reputable jewelers yourself.

    Jeff - re: your stock certificate, I would agree over the long term it will have more value as a collector's item. Can you make a digital photo so we can see what it looks like?

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  30. 'Those "money for gold" companies that advertise on TV are mostly scams. They will give you much less than what your item is worth, then sell it to a jeweler for a profit. Better to just go to a couple of reputable jewelers yourself.'

    Seems reasonable.

    Cheers, Cardinal Chucklins.

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  31. Chucky,

    Jeff - re: your stock certificate, I would agree over the long term it will have more value as a collector's item. Can you make a digital photo so we can see what it looks like?

    My camera is horrible, but I might test it out. I've had problems with it in the past. I could also hook up my scanner, but it might be too small.

    Actually, here is a quicker and easier way. If you go HERE, you can see a sample from the same company he got it from. Mine actually looks much better than the Disney sample shown, the biggest difference being that mine doesn't have the cheesy-looking "Certified Shareholder" text at the top like the sample. Mine does say "Certified Shareholder" at the top, but it looks nothing like that title. Mine looks very different and much more professional. In any case, it's the same idea, though.

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  32. Actually, if you go HERE, and from the options on the left, choose "Disney" for the stock (mine is Marvel, but if you leave it at the default, it limits the other options). Choose "Black Lacquer" for the Frame. Then for a Matte, choose the first option in the pull-down menu, which is "Certified Shareholder," but it's gold letters on a dark background with a green border. That is what mine looks like, except mine is Marvel instead of Disney.

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